The Only Trait for Success in the AI Era—How to Build It | Carnegie Mellon University Po-Shen Loh
Po-Shen Loh reveals why modern education may be failing us—and what it will take for humanity to thrive in the AI era.From AI solving Olympiad-level problems...
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Intro
- 00:00Soon after Chat GPT came out, I started
- 00:02traveling around the country telling
- 00:04people, "Oh no, there's this new thing
- 00:06people are going to need to learn to be
- 00:08more creative because that's the only
- 00:10thing that the AI can't do." I don't say
- 00:12that anymore because now I've seen that
- 00:14the AI can actually come up with lots
- 00:16and lots of ideas. Last year, the
- 00:19International Math Olympiad problems,
- 00:21four of them were solved by Google's
- 00:24artificial intelligence. The
- 00:25International Math Olympiad has six
- 00:27questions and all six of the questions
- 00:29are very very original. They are so
- 00:31original that when the national coaches
- 00:33meet, they all look at the problems and
- 00:36they all try to make sure nothing too
- 00:38similar to those problems has ever
- 00:39appeared in any contest or anywhere in
- 00:41the world before. The questions are
- 00:43supposed to be really original. But
- 00:45nevertheless, the artificial
- 00:46intelligence was able to come up with
- 00:48solutions to four out of six, which is
- 00:49more than I can do. The creativity in
- 00:52the AI can probably surpass what we can
- 00:55do, too. The only unique thing about
- 00:58human intelligence is that we hopefully
- 01:00care that humans still exist.
- 01:03I'm Po Shanlow. I'm a mathematician who
- 01:06likes to solve real world problems. In
- 01:08real life, I'm a math professor at
- 01:10Carnegie Melon University, but I'm also
- 01:12a social entrepreneur where I've been
- 01:14running my own educational solution,
- 01:17which tries to make the world a more
- 01:19thoughtful place.
AI’s #1 Target in Schoolwork
- 01:29[Music]
- 01:31in schools. One of the biggest places
- 01:34where students are using AI to cheat on
- 01:37their homework is for their writing.
- 01:45This unfortunately could make a huge
- 01:47problem for human civilization because
- 01:49you just have to think what is that AI
- 01:52anyway? It's a large language model. How
- 01:54is that AI so good? It's because it's
- 01:57good at language. It's good at looking
- 01:59at the patterns of words that often
- 02:01appear. If many kids lose this ability,
- 02:05we'll get many kids who grow up and
- 02:07aren't able to think logically. All
- 02:09they're able to do is just take whatever
- 02:11anyone else gives them. they'll just be
- 02:13dependent. If you're already grown up
- 02:16and you already have that skill and
- 02:17you're using the AI to achieve that task
- 02:20because that's for your job, great.
- 02:22Okay, you're using it to do a job. But
- 02:24if you're in school, why are you doing
- 02:26that writing? It's not because the
- 02:28writing you make is going to make money
- 02:30directly. No, no, that writing is
- 02:32actually part of your own learning.
- 02:34Using AI to do your writing homework in
- 02:36school is like saying, "I'm not going to
- 02:39run a mile for exercise. I'm going to
- 02:41drive my car one mile for exercise. How
- 02:44much exercise you get? You get none.
- 02:45You're going to grow up and you're not
- 02:47going to be able to be as physically
- 02:48fit. Similar thing here with mentally
- 02:50fit. And just this observation that the
- 02:53power of the large language model is the
- 02:55L, the language. That's why we need to
- 02:58really make sure that all of our kids,
- 03:00if any, and if you're watching this and
- 03:01you're students, this is why you need to
- 03:03be really, really good with language for
- 03:05the next generation. All of these skills
- 03:07like reading and writing, communication,
- 03:09logic, these are all going to be very
- 03:11important because these are how you
- 03:13develop a a good way to think. I was
- 03:16explaining to people the reason why we
- 03:17do this math is not because eventually
- 03:19we have to do algebra, but the reason is
- 03:21because eventually this just makes you
- 03:23smarter. So you're able to go and think
- 03:25through situations you haven't seen
- 03:27before and figure them out. I interview
How a Carnegie Mellon Professor Tests Creativity
- 03:29lots and lots of high school students
- 03:31who want to work with me. And during the
- 03:34interview, the way that I interview for
- 03:35intelligence is I ask them questions,
- 03:38usually math questions because those are
- 03:39analytical. And I ask them questions
- 03:41until it's very clear from their body
- 03:43language that they have never seen this
- 03:45question before. Because usually if
- 03:47you're doing math questions and you've
- 03:48seen it before, you have a certain look
- 03:49of confidence in your eyes. But I wait
- 03:51until it's really clear that they have
- 03:53never seen this before. And then I want
- 03:55to see how you think. Actually, because
- 03:58you've never seen that question before,
- 03:59the expectation is that you won't solve
- 04:01it. And so then I start to give hints.
- 04:04Those hints are usually ideas that they
- 04:06wouldn't have encountered before in
- 04:08school. And then I want to see how
- 04:10quickly can you synthesize these new
- 04:13hints, these new ways of thinking,
- 04:14synthesize them into a solution for a
- 04:17problem we have never seen before.
- 04:20Actually, that's also creativity.
- 04:23So that's one particular piece. But
What Matters More Than Creativity
- 04:25going forward, I think that one of the
- 04:27skills that people will really need is
- 04:29that aspect of actually wanting to
- 04:33create value and delight in other
- 04:35people. Why do I say this? I say this
- 04:38because for many, many years, humans
- 04:41were the top species, the most capable
- 04:44things on this planet. Soon it will not
- 04:47be that case. Soon, you're going to have
- 04:50to work together to survive. The only
- 04:53way to get other people to want to team
- 04:56up with you is for you to authentically
- 04:59and deeply be a person who is motivated
- 05:02by creating value in the other. If you
- 05:04are not that way, you are a bad partner
- 05:07and people will not want to go and team
- 05:08with you. If they don't team with you,
- 05:11you will die. You will lose opportunity
- 05:16because eventually all of these kinds of
- 05:19jobs you can use AIS to do. Then why
- 05:21would anyone want to employ you? Why
- 05:22would anyone want to have you as as
- 05:24someone on their team? Presumably only
- 05:26because they somehow felt like you are
- 05:28going to create some value and they they
- 05:30like that vibe. They like you. I think
- 05:32what we really need is to get more and
- 05:34more people who are figuring out what
- 05:36the real problem to solve is. But
- 05:39unfortunately sometimes when kids just
- 05:41think about problems, they don't realize
- 05:43that the way that you solve a problem is
- 05:46through empathy and through relating to
- 05:47other people. Why? because you can't
- 05:50solve a problem unless you can visualize
- 05:52it through their eyes. I do spend a
Simulating the World
- 05:55significant amount of my life working
- 05:57towards the goal of being better at
- 06:00simulating the world. I also use AI for
- 06:02that. I think I'll give one exact
- 06:05example. I was just in Nashville,
- 06:07Tennessee last week and I just saw a
- 06:08really I thought very very talented
- 06:11singer in one of the bars there. Wow,
- 06:14she's good. And I just got curious, how
- 06:17hard is it to be able to get a
- 06:18performing spot on Broadway in
- 06:20Nashville. So I asked AI and I was
- 06:23actually not just interested in AI tell
- 06:24me about it. I I want to see the links,
- 06:26you know, tell me more. What is the
- 06:28background of this particular place here
- 06:29she's performing at? Right. I I will
- 06:31make my own conclusions based on
- 06:33knowing. Oh, oh, oh, I see. So there's
- 06:35all of these different people who would
- 06:36want to do this thing, right? So if
- 06:38you're one of the people who got picked
- 06:39to do it at this prime time, oh, this
- 06:41makes logical sense. See, I'm using the
- 06:44AI to build the logic inside my brain
- 06:47for understanding country music
- 06:50performance. And why was I trying to
- 06:51understand? Honestly, it's because these
- 06:53days I also work with professional
- 06:54entertainers. So, I'm also myself always
- 06:56scouting. The big heart of this is I
- 06:59wasn't using the AI to write the report
- 07:01for me. I was using AI to make myself
- 07:03better at that particular goal. Being
- 07:06able to simulate the world is the
- 07:08superpower that makes someone able to be
- 07:11a successful entrepreneur. Simulating
- 07:13the world allows you to imagine a
- 07:17product or imagine a strategy and then
- 07:19play it forward in your head. What would
- 07:22happen if I did this?
Why School Makes You Depressed
- 07:29A long time ago when I started with
- 07:31education, I was actually just thinking
- 07:32about how to help people do math
- 07:34problems. Today when I think back to
- 07:36that time, I think I was probably a
- 07:39solution looking for a problem in the
- 07:41sense that uh somehow I thought it would
- 07:43be very important for people to be good
- 07:44at math. But then things that happened
- 07:46later in my life as I became the
- 07:47national coach of the US Olympic math
- 07:49team, I saw situations where there were
- 07:52so many so clever, so capable people who
- 07:56were still so depressed. And
- 07:57furthermore, after they graduated from
- 07:59high school, they even didn't really
- 08:00know what to do next because they
- 08:02thought that the point of life was to
- 08:03find ways to prove you're better than
- 08:05other people. That's when I realized we
- 08:08actually will do much better if we think
- 08:10about the philosophy to start with,
- 08:12right? The philosophy in life should not
A Life Goal That Truly Makes You Happy
- 08:13be how do I outdo everyone else? If you
- 08:16do that, you will you'll probably never
- 08:18be satisfied. But if your philosophy in
- 08:20life is, hey, it is actually addictive
- 08:23to make a bunch of other people happy.
- 08:25Oh, now I can do it for five people. Oh,
- 08:28now I can do it for 500 people. Oh, wow.
- 08:30Now I can get thousand people to come to
- 08:32this thing. The more that you do, the
- 08:34more you want to do. And the fun part is
- 08:36that correlates also with traditional
- 08:38success. Then I realized, ah, I should
- 08:40be trying to push this worldwide. And if
- 08:43I don't do it, who will? with the things
- 08:46I've done in my life, I now have an
- 08:49opportunity to go and say, you know,
- 08:52I've seen what happens if you go all the
- 08:54way in pure competition. I've seen what
- 08:56happens if you go all the way and just
- 08:57practice problems to do the best on
- 08:59tests.
- 09:01Actually, that's not the right target.
- 09:05And I realized that because of my
- 09:06background, I would be able to shift
- 09:09mindsets. Then I said, okay, this is
- 09:11what I have to do.
Scaling Critical Thinking
- 09:13I am a math professor at Carnegie Melon
- 09:15University. Uh the way I teach every
- 09:17single one of my classes is that I just
- 09:19go up to the chalkboard with a piece of
- 09:21chalk and I write today we're going to
- 09:23do this but I forgot exactly how to do
- 09:25this. So I need all of you to suggest
- 09:27ideas and then the whole class
- 09:29experience becomes one where the
- 09:31students are suggesting ideas and I'm
- 09:32giving them feedback on their ideas. And
- 09:34what I've been working on as a social
- 09:36entrepreneur to make it possible for
- 09:38everybody to be able to experience
- 09:40education in this way is we run an
- 09:42online program. It's called live.
- 09:45We found a way to scale up the education
- 09:48of critical thinking. You see the
- 09:50limiting factor is to have enough
- 09:51coaches to lead all of this critical
- 09:53thinking and brainstorming. And we scale
- 09:55it up by making a win-win situation by
- 09:57just observing that uh one of the
- 09:59greatest ages to learn critical thinking
- 10:02is when you're 10 to 13 years old. And
- 10:04it turns out that some of the best
- 10:06people to lead 10 to 13year-old kids
- 10:09into the joy of being thoughtful are
- 10:12high school kids who are about 15 to 18
- 10:14years old. But what I observed is that
- 10:15there were plenty of kids who were 15 to
- 10:1818 years old who were already very
- 10:19clever academically, especially in math.
- 10:21their limiting factor in life eventually
- 10:24was not going to be their science,
- 10:25technology, engineering or math. It
- 10:27would be communication skills,
- 10:29confidence, and the ability to win over
- 10:31anybody and lead a team. So, I created a
- 10:34program where we find kind and
- 10:37mathematically clever high schoolers.
- 10:39And then I hire professional comedians
- 10:41and actors to teach them how to be
- 10:43charismatic and how to be able to win
- 10:45over anybody because if you can convince
- 10:47anybody to love math, you can convince
- 10:49anybody to do anything. And so this this
- 10:52exchange, they're trained by the actors.
- 10:54They coach math. Uh while they're
- 10:56coaching math, we pay for an actor to
- 10:58watch them for every hour that they're
- 10:59coaching math. The actor gives them
- 11:01real-time feedback to help them become
- 11:04more enthusiastic, emphatic, and a more
- 11:06winning personality. Win-win situation.
- 11:09Now, the high schoolers directly
- 11:10benefit, their life becomes much better.
- 11:13In return, they're producing all of
- 11:15these critical thinking classes for kids
Building Networks for the AI Era
- 11:17all around the country. The architecture
- 11:19of this is that it just connects people.
- 11:22We are introducing kind and thoughtful
- 11:24high school students to middle school
- 11:25students to help them see, hey, you
- 11:27could become these great people who are
- 11:30having fun and also having a very
- 11:32fulfilling life. But also the way we
- 11:34execute the whole thing, the high
- 11:36schoolers all teach in pairs that not
- 11:38only makes the experience more fun for
- 11:40the people who are learning math, but it
- 11:42makes it so that these kind and really
- 11:44mathematically clever people get to know
- 11:46each other. because I don't know what
- 11:48kind of challenges we're going to face
- 11:49in the future. I think they're going to
- 11:50be quite big and technology will make it
- 11:52so that whatever the challenges we face
- 11:54are, they're big. So, we also need to
- 11:57have a big network of kind people who
- 11:59are clever, who know each other, and who
- 12:01have trust so that if there are some
- 12:03civilization threatening challenges that
- 12:06arise, well, then maybe there will be
- 12:08some people who will stand up, work
- 12:09together, and do something about it.
- 12:11This is what I pay attention to as I
- 12:13travel around the entire country and the
- 12:14world. I'm actually thinking about the
- 12:16robustness of human society. Whether or
- 12:19not if there was some challenge that
- 12:21faced the world due to technology, are
- 12:23we as human civilization equipped to
- 12:26rise up and face that challenge? To me,
- 12:29it all starts from thoughtfulness.
Taste: AI’s First Theft
- 12:38The work I do is really focused on
- 12:41building up autonomous human thinking.
- 12:44That's why the core word I use for the
- 12:46philosophy is thoughtful. I've watched
- 12:49over many years as people are becoming
- 12:52less and less interested in thinking. I
- 12:55think that actually happened because
- 12:57people found out that they can entertain
- 12:59themselves with iPads and this
- 13:01unfortunately makes people also not have
- 13:03as much interest in concentrating and
- 13:06thinking about something. AI could make
- 13:08that much worse. The fun part of life is
- 13:11having your own contribution to the life
- 13:14that you live. Actually, I think that's
- 13:16why people actually like creativity.
- 13:18It's fun. People like to draw. People
- 13:20like to put their own flavor. People
- 13:21like to wear their own fashion. It
- 13:23expresses themsel. This expression of
- 13:25yourself, it would be lost if everything
- 13:27you do is efficient but just reliant on
- 13:30the AI which told you how to dress
- 13:32today. That's why I want more and more
- 13:34people to discover it's fun to think.
- 13:35it's fun to have your own twist on
- 13:37things, your own your own idea that you
- 13:39inject inside. The other dangerous thing
Truth: AI’s Second Theft
- 13:41that happens if people lose the ability
- 13:43to to think and reason is that it makes
- 13:47it far easier to deceive people. The
- 13:49world is so complicated that if you look
- 13:52at any situation in the world, sometimes
- 13:54depending on how you tell the story of
- 13:56what happened, you can say statements
- 13:59that are all true which make you come up
- 14:02with a different feeling. I think it's
- 14:04really important for people to be
- 14:06critical and to for people to be able to
- 14:08understand what's really going on
- 14:09because sometimes when someone's talking
- 14:11to you, they have an agenda. Like I'll
- 14:13be frank, I have an agenda. I'm trying
- 14:14to build a more thoughtful world and I'm
- 14:16going to be very very upfront with you
- 14:17on that. Anyone who's watching this
- 14:19video, I think it's really important
- 14:21that we have as many people as possible
- 14:23find out how much fun it is to delight
- 14:25other people and to have the ability to
- 14:28think and figure that out. That's my
- 14:30agenda. But you see, everyone has an
- 14:32agenda. And if you can't think for
- 14:35yourself and you just listen to some
- 14:37authority, what if that agenda is
- 14:40actually to your detriment? You'll have
- 14:43no way of knowing. The technology
5 Perspectives vs. 7.5 Billion
- 14:46revolution really made all of us start
- 14:48to realize how much of an impact bias
- 14:52has in the sense that whoever makes some
- 14:55technology tool has some bias. What does
- 14:58bias really mean? Well, I guess as a
- 15:00mathematician, the way I would say it is
- 15:022 plus two is always four. That's right.
- 15:05What's the point of life? Oh, I don't
- 15:07know. Like, there's no clear definition.
- 15:09What's the point of life? I think the
- 15:11point of life is is to delight as many
- 15:12other people as you can, but I know that
- 15:14you might not necessarily agree, and
- 15:16it's not a problem. I think it's it's
- 15:18healthy that we may have different
- 15:19starting points. The part that becomes
- 15:22unhealthy is where there is only a very
- 15:25short menu of options each of which is
- 15:28followed by a huge number of people.
- 15:31That's actually where bias comes in
- 15:33because we just we just mentioned so far
- 15:35in this in this video a couple of
- 15:36different uh sources of AI providers,
- 15:39right? We have we have Claude, we have
- 15:40OpenAI, there's also Gemini. If you're
- 15:42in China, there's Deepseek. There are
- 15:44all of these, but that's relatively few.
- 15:46If you think about it, that's that would
- 15:48be sort of like saying, well, the world
- 15:50has lots of different viewpoints. It has
- 15:52five of them. Really? No. No. The world
- 15:54has seven and a half billion different
- 15:57viewpoints. There are 7 and 12 billion
- 15:58people. One of the beautiful things
- 15:59about
- 16:01I guess humanity is the fact that there
- 16:03are so many different ideas all out
- 16:05there. And let's be frank, some of the
- 16:08ideas are bad. Some of the people are
- 16:10unfortunately in prison because they
- 16:12decided to kill someone else. Hopefully
- 16:14we all understand that this are a bad
- 16:15idea. But the point is there are lots of
- 16:18different people who are trying
- 16:19different kinds of ideas, lots of
- 16:20different philosophies. And in this
- 16:22great big marketplace of ideas that is
- 16:24the world, we see some ideas come out
- 16:27and the the variety also allows us to
- 16:29have more creativity perhaps. And when I
- 16:32look at the different AI tools, well,
- 16:35it's actually well known that they have
- 16:37certain biases. This is also why for me
- 16:39when I try to get the news, I don't only
How to Avoid One-Sided Thinking
- 16:42go to CNN.com. I also go to Fox News. I
- 16:45tune my social media so that my X is all
- 16:49tracking Republican uh right-leaning
- 16:51viewpoints and my Facebook is all
- 16:53tracking left-leaning viewpoints. And I
- 16:55look at both of them every day because I
- 16:57want to see what's going on. And my
- 16:58expectation is yes, you're going to be
- 17:01biased. You have a certain view on the
- 17:02world and you think you're right. And
- 17:03you're biased, too. You have a way of
- 17:05thinking of the world. And my job as I
- 17:07simulate the world is to try to figure
- 17:08out where do you disagree? Ah, you
- 17:10disagree perhaps on a few values of how
- 17:13people should live their life. And then
- 17:14that causes you to have different ways
- 17:16of reporting on the story. I think it's
- 17:18all the more important now that there's
- 17:20AI out here which sounds like a very
- 17:22convincing reasonable person. It's even
- 17:24more important that people look at
- 17:27things and say, "All right, is that
- 17:29really the story?" Because I think that
- 17:32the AI is going to be so good at looking
- 17:35complete that you may think you have the
- 17:37entire story on a controversial
- 17:39situation, but you don't.
How to Stay Hopeful Despite It All
- 17:47I am an optimist, as you can probably
- 17:49tell from the way I'm talking. I'm
- 17:51optimistic because I can see that
- 17:53thoughtful people stick together. I've
- 17:55been working on my work with this whole
- 17:57group of high school students and so on
- 17:59for 3 years and I can just see there are
- 18:02so many kids who are not kids anymore
- 18:05who are growing up who are really clever
- 18:07but so kind and they also know each
- 18:10other. They make me optimistic about the
- 18:13future. Not only the ones that I work
- 18:15with but the fact that if I'm working
- 18:16with these people that means there are
- 18:18other people out there too. I'm
- 18:19basically seeing with my own eyes the
- 18:22power of what can be done if you bring
- 18:25together people who have in common this
- 18:28idea that they actually like people and
- 18:30they want to make the world brighter.
- 18:33See, one reason I'm building this whole
- 18:35community of really kind and clever
- 18:38people is because I'm also hoping to
Making Money While Solving Real Problems
- 18:41eventually build a whole lot of social
- 18:43entrepreneurs. Social entrepreneur is
- 18:45someone who makes a conscious decision
- 18:47to not necessarily become that rich.
- 18:50You're doing it for a different purpose.
- 18:52It's not because you want tons of money.
- 18:54It's because what makes you happy is
- 18:56seeing lots of delighted people. Social
- 18:58entrepreneurship is hard. The hard part
- 19:01is that sometimes at the beginning you
- 19:04feel this is an important problem that
- 19:06needs to be solved. Why won't people pay
- 19:09me to do it? I need a donation or an
- 19:12investment or something. That's how I
- 19:15started off. Today when I do my social
- 19:17entrepreneurship, I think very carefully
- 19:20how much does that problem actually
- 19:22cost? You know that if it's a problem,
- 19:24there's a real cost. In fact, it should
- 19:26be possible to make money. That word
- 19:28entrepreneur hopefully also includes
- 19:30something about sustainability through
- 19:33business type form. A good social
- 19:35enterprise should make a net profit on
- 19:38every single person that they help.
- 19:40Right? The problem that happens with
- 19:42social entrepreneurship sometimes is
- 19:43that people are doing something which
- 19:45would be nice to solve, but they haven't
- 19:48found a way to tie that together with
- 19:50solving a problem that has real monetary
- 19:52value that you can find someone to pay
- 19:54for. You should hopefully be able to
- 19:56figure out how it costs the world
- 19:58something that the problem is there.
- 20:00Aha. Now try to figure out who is paying
- 20:02that cost right now and see if maybe
- 20:04they would be interested in paying you
- 20:06for you to go and solve that problem.
- 20:08You just have to go and hunt around how
- 20:10can I figure out how the positive that's
- 20:13created on average is spread apart
- 20:16across everyone who is playing and then
- 20:18you also get a little bit too. That's
- 20:20actually what we do. For example, we
- 20:21provide all this education since we make
- 20:24the best after school math classes for
- 20:26middle school students who want
- 20:27enrichment in the world. We have lots of
- 20:29customers. They pay for it. So, we have
- 20:31the profit. But because I'm a social
- 20:33entrepreneur, we subsidize students from
- 20:36different parts of the country and
- 20:37different parts of the world. How come
- 20:38nobody else ever thought of putting
- 20:40professional actors to live coach high
- 20:43school math stars who are kind while
- 20:46they live stream math classes to middle
- 20:47school kids? And that whole thing builds
- 20:49an ecosystem that builds a more
- 20:50thoughtful world that can hopefully help
- 20:52to sustain our human civilization. It's
- 20:55actually an obvious idea. There are
- 20:57actors. There are math people. We can
- 21:00all win. It took 11 years to really
- 21:04build up to the stage that I am right
- 21:05now. It took 8 years to come up with
- 21:07that idea.
- 21:08You can imagine how many other weird
Destroy Your Ideas
- 21:10ideas came about along the way. Anytime
- 21:13I see any thing in the world or
- 21:15something I need to do, I try to keep
- 21:17coming up with a weird new way to do it.
- 21:19For fun, I like to constantly be
- 21:21thinking, is there another way? Is there
- 21:23another way? Is there another way? When
- 21:25I do this most of the time I come up
- 21:28with a way and then the next question
- 21:29becomes all right what could be wrong
- 21:31with it. So I first generate like this I
- 21:34want to generate new idea and after the
- 21:36new ideas there I say now I want to
- 21:38destroy the new idea. I want to shoot it
- 21:39down. How could it possibly be wrong?
- 21:42Because 99% of the ideas that I generate
- 21:44that are new are fundamentally flawed.
- 21:47But 1% are good. You have to just be
- 21:51constantly for its own sake saying could
- 21:54there be another way of doing this?
- 21:56Could there be another way of doing
- 21:57this? So this combination of generate
- 21:59with excitement, destroy with lots and
- 22:02lots of effort and then after a while
- 22:04one diamond appears
- 22:08then push it.
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