Lessons from Investing in 700+ Startups | Goodwater Capital, Eric Kim
Today's story is about Eric Kim from Goodwater Capital. Goodwater has made over 700 investments across 50 countries. Over the span of 9 years, they have backed more than 10 companies that surpassed $1 billion in valuation and secured over $3.3 billion in capital commitments. In this video, Eric shares insights into the billion-dollar investments he made early on and discusses the lessons he learned through his investment journey.
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Intro
- 00:00I think there is no one siiz fits all
- 00:03for an exceptional entrepreneur one of
- 00:05the key characteristics though that I
- 00:08often see in great Founders is they have
- 00:11this really strong sense of always doing
- 00:14what's best for the company in many ways
- 00:16can be sa self-sacrificial that they
- 00:18always put the company first and the
- 00:20mission first if you want to be famous
- 00:22this is not the place for you being
- 00:24famous versus being paid a lot versus
- 00:26being having an easy lifestyle all of
- 00:29which is not true
- 00:30hi my name is Eric Kim I'm the
- 00:32co-founder and managing partner of
- 00:34goodwater capital goodwater capital is a
- 00:36global Venture Capital firm that we
- 00:37founded in 2014 we're entirely focused
- 00:40on consumer Tech investing so today
- 00:42goodwater Capital has grown to over $3.3
- 00:45billion in committed Capital we're in
- 00:47close to over 50 countries at this point
- 00:49through our Genesis portfolio which is
- 00:51over 700 seed portfolio companies and in
- 00:53our core portfolio companies that's for
- 00:55our early stage fund and our growth
- 00:56stage fund that's about 80 companies at
- 00:58this point in about 20 countries our
- 01:00thesis is that consumer technology is
- 01:02changing the world and there's an
- 01:04opportunity to use the internet and
- 01:05digital technology for good our mission
- 01:08is to empower exceptional entrepreneurs
- 01:09everywhere change the world for
- 01:12[Music]
Chapter 1. The Story of a Korean Dream in America
- 01:17good I'm so thankful to my parents my
- 01:20mother and father lived through the
- 01:22Korean War they came to the United
- 01:24States to seek a better life uh with one
- 01:27suitcase uh with the little money they
- 01:29had uh in their pockets uh but what they
- 01:32did have was an education that they were
- 01:33both trained as medical doctors at that
- 01:36time the United States had a severe
- 01:37shortage shortage of medical doctors and
- 01:40they were inviting overseas doctors to
- 01:42come even if they didn't speak English
- 01:44very well I think in my school we were
- 01:46the only Koreans and I remember
- 01:48distinctly one day my father calling me
- 01:51in to his room to his bedroom I was 12
- 01:53years old old at the time that's the
- 01:55same age my as my oldest son at this
- 01:57point and my father just sat me and said
- 02:00hey Eric I need to have a talk with you
- 02:02at that time my father with these
- 02:05intense tears in his eyes told me Eric
- 02:08you're growing up now you're 12 years
- 02:10old you're about to become a teenager
- 02:13and life is going to be hard because
- 02:15you're an Asian American because you're
- 02:16Korean because of the color of your hair
- 02:19the color of your eyes the shape of your
- 02:20eyes the color of your skin life is
- 02:23going to be difficult you will
- 02:24immediately be discounted and I think
- 02:26part of this was my father's own
- 02:28experience in the workplace facing
- 02:30racism uh there or uh maybe some bias as
- 02:34well but he understood that for me as an
- 02:36Asian-American that it was important for
- 02:38me to understand that because of that
- 02:41discount he instilled into me that we
- 02:44really needed to be 12% 150% better so
- 02:48to speak to uh really compare with our
- 02:51our peers who didn't have this Asian
- 02:54face or this background or so and that
- 02:56really had a tremendous impact on my
- 02:58life in many ways I felt a sense of
- 03:01urgency that I had to perform that I had
- 03:03to just be better in many ways that was
- 03:06a really important lesson I think as
- 03:08I've grown up and as I've matured I
- 03:10realized that in many ways yes that bias
- 03:12exists and yes the Prejudice exists and
- 03:16and racism exists and yes education hard
- 03:19work all those elements were keys for me
- 03:21to be hopefully successful in life over
- 03:24time what I've realized as well is that
- 03:26I also need to embrace and not always
- 03:29just perform for the sake of trying to
- 03:31be better itself what if humility was a
- 03:34superpower what if as myself I could
- 03:37Embrace that and not be afraid of that
- 03:39that's something I'm really interested
- 03:41and excited about going forward
- 03:43too as an undergrad I had the
- 03:46opportunity when I was at Yale to also
- 03:48intern at McKenzie and Company during
- 03:50the summer so in 2002 I I graduated from
- 03:54undergrad and I was expected to start at
- 03:56McKenzie right away I eventually I went
- 03:58back to McKenzie and spent time there
- 04:00for 2 years as a business analyst and
- 04:02consultant I learned a lot I did a lot
- 04:04of global projects I spent over 6 months
- 04:06in China I spent time in Southeast Asia
- 04:09as well spent time all over Europe and
- 04:11so that really helped provide a Global
- 04:13Perspective which is something you see
- 04:14in goodw today as well then went to
- 04:16Stanford University in 2005 and that's
- 04:19where I met my co-founder chihua Chen
- 04:21who was class of 2006 so we overlapped
- 04:23for a year so in 2007 I had the
- 04:25opportunity to join Maverick Capital
- 04:27they were starting to build out their
- 04:28private investing practice and so myself
- 04:31and a gentleman named David singer we we
- 04:33work very closely together from 2007 to
- 04:362014 and during that time we invested
- 04:38all over the world and uh from early
- 04:40stage to late stage we were part of the
- 04:42YC y commentator Venture Capital
- 04:45Syndicate so we invested in every single
- 04:46y commentator company to really late
- 04:48stage companies as well pre-ipo
- 04:50companies too and that really gave me a
- 04:52sense of the Art and Science of
- 04:54investing and and really to adopt an
- 04:56investor mindset
- 04:58[Music]
- 05:00actually our first deal in Korea was
- 05:02coupon it was March of 2011 and then
- 05:04soon after that we invested in cacao in
- 05:06their series a yeah when we first
- 05:07invested in Kong they were the 28th
- 05:10social commerce company to launch in
- 05:12just South Korea itself we launched a
- 05:15survey in South Korea and we asked
- 05:17dozens of people asking them to compare
- 05:20Ticket Monster we make price coupon
- 05:22others your retail experience as well
- 05:25and over and over again for specifically
- 05:28women in their 20s 30s they loved coupon
- 05:31because of their customer service why
- 05:33was that so important was because it
- 05:35then created loyalty that if you had
- 05:37really really strong customer service
- 05:39consumers would come back to you because
- 05:41they knew that they would be treated
- 05:42well and that was a strong philosophy
- 05:44that kpong had from the first day was
- 05:47how do you wow your end your end
- 05:49customer if you are doing something that
- 05:51the market generally agrees with that is
- 05:53a really hard way to make a profitable
- 05:55investment because the the rest of the
- 05:57Market's already there you have to have
- 05:59some kind of contrarian or
- 06:00differentiated insight and usually
- 06:02that's through some kind of primary
- 06:04research that you've done that no one
- 06:06else has done itself and that was a key
- 06:08to making that investment back in 2011
- 06:11caca is a really interesting story I'm
- 06:13I'm very thankful to Han Kim who's a
- 06:16very close mentor and friend of mine
- 06:18that helped introduce me to the company
- 06:19prior to that we had an overall thesis
- 06:21about mobile the the power of
- 06:23smartphones and this whole transition
- 06:26away from desktop to mobile Computing
- 06:28and how there opportunity
- 06:30for gaming for Commerce for
- 06:32communications to happen on mobile and
- 06:33we were looking for that killer out what
- 06:35prompted me to really become interested
- 06:37in caca and and to seek out the company
- 06:40was a really close friend of mine
- 06:42actually was visiting from South Korea
- 06:44at the time that person had a Samsung
- 06:46smartphone and I asked her why did you
- 06:49buy this Samsung smartphone and she said
- 06:51so I could use caca it actually saved
- 06:53her money at the time every time you
- 06:55sent a text message you were charged per
- 06:57text and cacao made that free buying a
- 06:59smartphone which was very expensive that
- 07:01upfront cost was an investment to save
- 07:03money over time because it provided this
- 07:06core utility to everyone to be able to
- 07:07communicate for free and that was an
- 07:09Insight that it really struck me is that
- 07:12people were willing to buy 300 400 $500
- 07:15smartphones so they could just use caca
- 07:18because they were saving money on the
- 07:20other end of that that love that
- 07:22customer love was something we saw
- 07:24tremendous potential in so I remember
- 07:26approaching the CEO the founder the
- 07:28management team at k C once I got
- 07:30introduced I remember flying to South
- 07:32Korea and practicing the night before
- 07:35presenting in Korean and the next day
- 07:38actually when I I visited the the caca
- 07:40headquarters and there was only like 20
- 07:42people I remember pitching in Korean to
- 07:45the to the the team there they w't
- 07:48pitching me I made this whole
- 07:49presentation about our thesis and the
- 07:51research we had done all the consumers
- 07:53we had talked to it was in Korean so I'm
- 07:55sure it was terrible and it was uh with
- 07:57a lot of stuttering they were maybe were
- 07:59impressed by that and uh they were
- 08:01willing to take our Capital early on but
- 08:03we really saw not from the outside in
- 08:06but through the consumer voice the love
- 08:09for the product I remember at the time
- 08:11there's a lot of people who thought that
- 08:13investment in caca was crazy maybe even
- 08:15some of the early team members weren't
- 08:17quite sure about the future but when we
- 08:20talk to Consumers when we talk to people
- 08:22who actually use the product they loved
- 08:24it so so much often times one of the
- 08:26things I love to do when I go to cities
- 08:29whether it's London or New York I just
- 08:31like to hang out in the subway you can
- 08:33see what apps they're using just the
- 08:34color the icons they're using and when
- 08:36you go to Korea a lot more people were
- 08:39starting to use this yellow icon cacao
- 08:42and then you would talk to them why did
- 08:43they use it I can save money I can
- 08:45communicate with my friends there's a
- 08:47group chat that becomes my community and
- 08:49so that was our key Insight is that you
- 08:50could scale this and create a powerful
- 08:52Network effect that as more people got
- 08:55on the platform it would benefit all the
- 08:57pre-existing users as well that's it's a
- 08:59really powerful phenomenon that
- 09:01increases retention that as more people
- 09:04get onto the product the product gets
- 09:05better how many of those can you name
- 09:07there are very very few companies that
- 09:09do that and so once we saw that Insight
- 09:12we felt a very strong Comm uh conviction
- 09:14to invest in the company they were both
- 09:16very early stage deals series a for the
- 09:18caca and kind of series a plus for kpong
- 09:22the returns were massive on kind of a
- 09:25venture scale kind of the 100x 300X type
Chapter 2. The Best Strategy for New VC
- 09:27scales
- 09:31I think most Venture Capital firms in my
- 09:34experience do great work but they don't
- 09:36necessarily have a strong sense of
- 09:38mission and that's what was important to
- 09:40us when we started goodw was to have a
- 09:42really clear mission statement again to
- 09:44empower exal MERS everywhere to change
- 09:47the world for good good water had a
- 09:49tremendous impact on the Venture Capital
- 09:51ecosystem because we changed the mindset
- 09:53to go from a Ecentric mindset where you
- 09:56have individual venture capitalist being
- 09:58celebrated for how much money they made
- 10:00shifting that there's nothing wrong with
- 10:02that but shifting it more to a mindset
- 10:04of how can we as a vendor Capital
- 10:06industry have positive impact itself if
- 10:09good water many many many years from now
- 10:13is known for that capital is a really
- 10:15really valuable resource that you have
- 10:17to Steward and that's why we're called
- 10:19good water we think water is similar to
- 10:21technology and capital water is the
- 10:23source of life for every living organism
- 10:25but the lack of water or too much water
- 10:27can lead to destruction it's itself and
- 10:29technology and capital is the exact same
- 10:31thing that you have to Steward it it can
- 10:33be the source for so much positive
- 10:35influence in the world but it can also
- 10:37be used for not so good things too that
- 10:39technology and capital isn't always the
- 10:41source of goodness in the world too so
- 10:43we want to be the good water in the
- 10:45Venture Capital ecosystem we also
- 10:47thought that the world didn't need
- 10:49another venture capital firm there are
- 10:51so many great Venture Capital firms out
- 10:53there sequoia Benchmark you know Excel
- 10:56Partners there there are so many great
- 10:58Venture Capital firms out there the
- 10:59world didn't need necessarily another
- 11:01venture capital firm but what if you
- 11:02could create a venture capital firm that
- 11:04was not only Mission oriented but
- 11:06focused on consumer internet consumer
- 11:08technology itself a lot of venture
- 11:10capital firms at the time and still
- 11:12today Diversified away from consumer
- 11:14Tech they went to Enterprise SAS or
- 11:16security or Hardware or climate Tech or
- 11:19biotech if you think about the best
- 11:21Venture Capital firms where they started
- 11:23was by investing in companies like
- 11:25Google like Amazon like eBay six out of
- 11:28the eight large companies in the world
- 11:30are all consumer tech companies like
- 11:32Facebook as well not only are there
- 11:34great Equity returns there but if you
- 11:37own that end cut customer relationship
- 11:39then you can create so much Innovation
- 11:41that backward integrates all the way
- 11:43into the Enterprise as well so we had
- 11:45this thesis that consumer technology
- 11:48consumer internet was incredibly
- 11:49powerful that owning those End customer
- 11:52relationships was very powerful that
- 11:54would span not just social networking
- 11:57not just e-commerce but that span also
- 12:00Financial Services Healthcare education
- 12:03all these big Industries would be
- 12:05increasingly consumerized because you
- 12:07could own those End customer
- 12:09relationships through digital technology
- 12:11that was our big thesis when we started
- 12:13the firm in 2014 at goodwi our
- 12:15philosophy is that investing is both an
- 12:17art and a science and so we leverage our
- 12:20technology and our software to get to
- 12:21the truth of the science part as quickly
- 12:24as possible of our 65 66 person team
- 12:27two-thirds of that team are actually
- 12:29data scientists product managers and
- 12:31engineers and since day one we've been
- 12:33building an infrastructure a software
- 12:35layer to enable us to look at consumer
- 12:38technology companies so we find so much
- 12:40value in looking at the data being able
- 12:42to have this infrastructure to see
- 12:44companies on a global basis we track
- 12:46over 10 million companies in real time
- 12:49so we have very very accessible reports
- 12:53consumer research analytics benchmarks
- 12:55that allow us to understand a company we
- 12:57think better than any other firm because
- 12:59we have so much data around it and we
- 13:01know how to apply it so when we see a
- 13:03new opportunity to invest in we're very
- 13:06quickly able to assess is this company
- 13:09Best in Class not only on growth but
- 13:11also retention customer love what's
- 13:13their differentiation all the hard
- 13:15science of investing we've really locked
- 13:18into a very strong process and a
- 13:20platform itself what's as important and
- 13:23it goes with it is the art part and
- 13:26that's really understanding the
- 13:27entrepreneur understanding that person's
- 13:29will and desire to win that person's
- 13:32desire to have impact Itself by taking
- 13:35all the science and being able to really
- 13:38get to truth as quickly as possible then
- 13:41you can spend a lot more time on
- 13:42spending time with the entrepreneur
- 13:44understanding their M motivations
- 13:46understanding what their long-term goal
- 13:47is their vision for the company so if
- 13:49you have seven days in the week in the
- 13:50old process it used to take six days in
- 13:52the week to do all the science and then
- 13:54you have one day to maybe understand the
- 13:56soft part or the art we've reversed that
- 13:58is that it takes one day to understand
- 14:00the science part of it the analytics all
- 14:03the components that you can have
- 14:04software and our data platform really
- 14:07understand very quickly and spend the
- 14:09other six days to really understand the
- 14:10entrepreneur can we partner with this
- 14:12person they have a similar philosophy
- 14:15around putting the company first are
- 14:17they open to feedback doing reference
- 14:19checks deeply those soft elements of
- 14:21what makes for a great entrepreneur
- 14:22we're able to spend the vast majority of
- 14:24time because of this dual approach
- 14:26between Art and Science and so that's
- 14:28been the harded soul of good water since
- 14:30day one and something we continue to
- 14:32innovate on
Chapter 3. Eric's Guidance for Aspiring VCs
- 14:36too we interview a lot Venture Capital
- 14:39Associates VPS principles and partners
- 14:42one of our screening criteria if you
- 14:44want to be famous this is not the place
- 14:47for you the goodw approach is one that
- 14:49is obsessed with finding generational
- 14:52companies that will have tremendous
- 14:53impact one firm that I admire greatly is
- 14:55seoa capital and they had this saying
- 14:57that they were just one away if they
- 14:59just missed one great deal then that
- 15:01would lead them to potentially being a
- 15:03mediocre firm and so they had this
- 15:05obsession with finding great companies
- 15:07if that is someone's singular purpose if
- 15:10that is their Obsession as well which is
- 15:12to find great companies and to invest in
- 15:15them that's what we look for in young
- 15:16Venture capitals and I think that's what
- 15:18young people who are looking to get into
- 15:20the Venture Capital should ask
- 15:21themselves is this something that I'm
- 15:23really obsessed with that I would go the
- 15:25ends of the Earth to I will fly over
- 15:27200,000 plus miles going back and forth
- 15:30to countries to visit entrepreneurs it's
- 15:32a really hard lifestyle it's not
- 15:34glamorous but you do it because you love
- 15:36it that you are obsessed with finding
- 15:39that insight about a company that will
- 15:41lead to investment that no one else in
- 15:44the world might see and if that's
- 15:46something that young people really want
- 15:48to do and they're willing to put in the
- 15:50hard work to have the discipline it's
- 15:52like playing a sport you have to be like
- 15:54an athlete you have to be able to invest
- 15:56in your craft day in day out and get
- 15:59incrementally better every week and it's
- 16:01not something that will ever be handed
- 16:02to you maybe some venture capitalist
- 16:04just get lucky that's certainly possible
- 16:06but to sustain a franchise and to
- 16:08sustain a career over the long term it
- 16:10really takes a lot of discipline hard
- 16:12work and an intensity that is driven by
- 16:15a passion to find and invest in great
- 16:17companies and support them throughout
- 16:19the life cycle of growth I teach a class
- 16:21on this at various institutions but how
- 16:23do you have an investor mindset that is
- 16:25a able to see the big picture always
- 16:28having that big picture that home run
- 16:31Vision in your mind B understand what
- 16:33are the key components that allows that
- 16:35to come true what do you have to believe
- 16:37for that big Vision to come true C
- 16:40understand what are the key risks to
- 16:41those and being able to D then research
- 16:44those and underwrite those risks and
- 16:47ultimately e taking a leap of faith that
- 16:50allows you to put it all together to
- 16:52have conviction in your idea whether
- 16:54you're an investor or whether you're a
- 16:55Founder having those key components and
- 16:57being able to break it down I think
- 16:59having this mindset for the key
- 17:01decisions you need to make is something
- 17:02that we talk about internally we
- 17:05certainly teach it for our investors and
- 17:07also I think great CEOs also have this
- 17:09investor mindset too because they're
- 17:10doing Capital allocation and they're
- 17:12making decisions so how do you go
- 17:14through that framework and be able to
- 17:16follow it and then also know when not to
- 17:18follow it when do you know to break the
- 17:20rules too that's really where the Poetry
- 17:22comes up about that you can able to
- 17:24innovate and create new things when
- 17:26you're able to have exceptions but to do
- 17:28that you actually have to know the
- 17:29Frameworks and the rules first we preach
- 17:32both that the Frameworks are really
- 17:33helpful but also really importantly
- 17:36knowing when to break the rules too is
- 17:37really important too
- 17:39[Music]