How to Calm an Anxious Dog | Cesar Millan & Dr. Andrew Huberman
Cesar Millan and Dr. Andrew Huberman discuss the necessity of structured exercise and mental boundaries for canine well-being, emphasizing how long-duration ...
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Solving Dog Anxiety Through Exercise
- 00:00What if somebody has an anxious dog
- 00:01right now? They haven't been doing this
- 00:03and the dog is pawing at them and and
- 00:05running around. Should the person just
- 00:07stay completely in that calm space
- 00:09moving about and ignoring them touching
- 00:11them or should they be physically giving
- 00:13like, you know, get off me type?
- 00:15Well, this this also had to do with how
- 00:17how much exercise physically exercise
- 00:19the dog has received,
- 00:21right? How long is his walk? Cuz most
- 00:23people walk 20 30 minutes. That's not
- 00:25enough. and the dog end up in the house
- 00:27for 20 23 and a half hours.
- 00:29In my opinion, it's borders on abuse.
- 00:31It's really
- 00:33incredibly hard on an animal that has
- 00:36the same people say I love my dog
- 00:38and and and my first question is how
- 00:40long do you walk them?
- 00:41What is your recommendation? I realize
- 00:42it varies by breed and by age.
- 00:44Yeah. And by level of energy because
- 00:46some are couch potatoes, low level
- 00:47energy, some middle and some high,
- 00:49right? And so it depends on the energy
- 00:51of the dog. So not because a dog is a
- 00:53back of the pack doesn't mean there they
- 00:54don't have high level energy. Okay?
- 00:56Because the sled dogs there is a lot of
- 00:58guys that go on the back. It's only one
- 00:59in the front if you notice. Right? And
- 01:01even in the back of the pack dogs
- 01:03because they create a a pack front,
- 01:05middle, back, right? And that's why they
- 01:06stay in that mode. And and so even the
- 01:09back of the pack, they have to have the
- 01:10same level of stamina as the one in the
- 01:12front. So now because it's a back of the
- 01:14pack is couch potato, you know. So then
- 01:17then you have to understand the levels
- 01:19of energy that they're born with. Low,
- 01:21medium, high. Yeah. A lot of times
- 01:24people say, "Oh, bulldogs are couch
- 01:26potatoes." Now, [laughter] you can have
- 01:28a bulldog that is absolutely athletic.
- 01:31Absolutely athletic and has the stamina
- 01:34to go and, you know, obviously you have
- 01:36to help them with the breeding part and
- 01:38because they they just go into, you
- 01:40know, no limits. So you have to help
- 01:42them, you know,
- 01:43this drummer has a lot of energy. Yeah.
- 01:46uh compared to Costello. Um so two
- 01:50minimum 30 minute walks per day as as
- 01:53much as a couple hours twice a day
- 01:55with a backpack on. Right. Obviously
- 01:56[clears throat] the dog is a little
- 01:57older because you know the backpack adds
- 01:59that extra half hour cuz now the dog is
- 02:02carrying something.
- 02:02So a weighted backpack.
- 02:04Yes. And how should one assess like
- 02:06percentage of body weight of the dog?
- 02:07Like
- 02:07in the beginning you can just put a
- 02:08backpack because they're psychologically
- 02:10you know they don't want to wear
- 02:11anything you know nothing that we put on
- 02:13them they want to wear it
- 02:14you know a leash a collar a muzzle a
- 02:16boots doesn't matter doesn't matter. So
- 02:19psychologically that drains them right
- 02:21because they got to get used to it. So
- 02:22you you walk until the dog comes
- 02:24surrender to it and then you take it off
- 02:27and then the mind will become very
- 02:29drained once the dog gets used to it and
- 02:31then you start putting weight. You can
- 02:32start with five pounds. Remember, every
- 02:34time you add something, you challenge
- 02:36the mind. And the goal is simply for the
- 02:38mind to surrender.
- 02:40You see it? And and then the body the
- 02:42body is going to become calm because
- 02:44he's wasting energy. So your job
- 02:45literally every day with a dog is to
- 02:47empty the tank. Empty the tank. You
- 02:50know, because a tired dog is never going
- 02:51to give you problems ever.
- 02:53True.
- 02:53Ever. How? He doesn't have the energy to
- 02:56give you problems, right? And then on
Rules and Impulse Control
- 02:58top of that, you create rules by
- 02:59limitations such as just put food right
- 03:01here, but he can't touch it. So the mind
- 03:03has to be disciplined not to touch it.
- 03:05Then the mind has to learn instead of
- 03:06doing this to do this and that requires
- 03:09self-discipline.
- 03:10If you tell the dog don't touch it or
- 03:13don't touch the human, don't touch the
- 03:15food, don't touch the cat, they go into
- 03:17a calm surrender state and they wait.
- 03:20Yeah. The first thing that I taught
- 03:23strummer um was to suppress action. Just
- 03:27as a general theme, he learned it right
- 03:29away. Um, at eight weeks it took about a
- 03:31day, maybe even half a day because I had
- 03:34learned the hard way with Costello. He
- 03:35was much more stubborn.
- 03:37I could set food down.
- 03:38Yep.
- 03:39As a eight-week old puppy, because we
- 03:42went through the training process, he's
- 03:43not touching it until he looks at me. I
- 03:47can walk around the room. I can do
- 03:48whatever I want. He's tracking and then
- 03:51when I say okay, then he's going to eat.
- 03:53I will just mention there's a inhibition
- 03:55from the forebrain down to the brain
- 03:57regions that control impulses. And
- 03:59that's what we call top down inhibition,
- 04:00which is nerd neuroscience speak for
- 04:02what you what you're describing
- 04:04practically.
- 04:05And I feel like it carries over to other
- 04:06circumstances more easily. But I can put
- 04:10food in front of him now and leave the
- 04:12room.
- 04:13I don't do this for extended periods,
- 04:15but I come back, he's not going to touch
- 04:17it.
- 04:17Yep.
- 04:17And then he he starts to eat.
- 04:19Now, it's a little bit more difficult
- 04:21with things that um like trying to teach
- 04:24him to not uh be mouthy on So I have a
- 04:26rule. No, no skin in dog's mouth. This
- 04:29is just like it's all or none. Make it
- 04:31simple cuz when it's really cute when
- 04:33they're a puppy, those teeth are a
- 04:34little sharp and then you can kind of
- 04:35But I just have a it's a thick black
- 04:37line,
- 04:38right?
- 04:39And my girlfriend knows this too. Like
- 04:40she's like, "No, but he wants to play."
- 04:42It's like no skin goes in his mouth.
- 04:44Then he cuz that's a simple rule.
- 04:46Yep.
- 04:46And
- 04:47if he does happens to, you know, go for
- 04:50skin, I'll do the little Yelp thing. He
- 04:52understands right away. So, if people
- 04:55hear this, they're going to be like,
- 04:57"This is terrible, right? You're putting
- 04:58food in front of him and he wants to eat
- 05:00and you're not letting him." But could
- 05:02you elaborate why this is so important
- 05:04to the dog's happiness and well-being?
- 05:06Because
- 05:06I believe it is, and I could see that in
- 05:08Costello. I see it in Strummer. There's
- 05:10a trust, there's a calmness, there's a
- 05:12an availability to go more places,
- 05:15but many people, they just like, "He's
- 05:17hungry. She's hungry. They missed me."
- 05:20you know, they didn't know what they
- 05:21were doing
- 05:22or they feel guilty because they didn't
- 05:23walk the dog.
Power of Structured Walking
- 05:25Guilt [clears throat] plays a big role
- 05:26in raising dogs.
- 05:27Well, then let's stay on the walk for a
- 05:29moment. What What is so critical about
- 05:31the structured walk? I've been doing 2
- 05:33hours a day or so of structured walk
- 05:35since he was little. And people say
- 05:37that's too much for a puppy.
- 05:39I I feel like he's been great with two
- 05:41one-hour walks. It's because they forget
- 05:44instincts, right? They forget instinct
- 05:46that a dog is instinctually is going to
- 05:49follow his parents to find food and
- 05:51water, right? Yes. They do it after two
- 05:54months of age because otherwise they
- 05:55will stay within the den,
- 05:56right? But from from two to four, they
- 06:00follow, you know, they follow and
- 06:02somebody's always taking care. You can
- 06:03see it in the African wild dogs, there's
- 06:05always somebody that supervises the
- 06:07litter, but they allow them to follow,
- 06:11right? and then they they they they go
- 06:13to a certain stance because they're
- 06:14growing. But as soon as the dog gets
- 06:16into six, eight months of age, that guy
- 06:19wants to walk more than 30 minutes,
- 06:21guaranteed. He doesn't want to stay in
- 06:23one place too long. So all these people
- 06:25with their dogs home all day or some
- 06:27people would say, well, the dog has the
- 06:28yard, running around the yard, it's not
- 06:30the same, right? Uh being able to run
- 06:32around a yard
- 06:32with the yard, it becomes like the zoo,
- 06:34right? Is an animal in the zoo with a
- 06:36yard. But that's not natural. That's
- 06:39just practical for the human,
- 06:41right? And the human feels like, okay, I
- 06:44have a backyard. That's where the dog
- 06:45does exercise. But the dog is going in
- 06:46circles. So exercise for a bird is going
- 06:50for a fish for, you know, a bird have to
- 06:53fly, a fish have to swim, and a dog has
- 06:54to walk. It's just the nature of each uh
- 06:57species, right? So the walk is the most
- 07:00important activity in my eyes, right?
Learning From Off-Leash Dogs
- 07:02Look at the homeless people with their
- 07:03dogs. Why they can walk a dog off leash?
- 07:05You were the first person I ever heard
- 07:07say that homeless people are the best
- 07:09dog owners.
- 07:10And the humans who are blind, the human
- 07:11who are blind dog is right next to them.
- 07:13A homeless people dog in the back,
- 07:15right? So what are they doing, right?
- 07:17Well, the dog is following them, right?
- 07:19They're in a follower state. And so the
- 07:23dog the dog that lives with the blind is
- 07:25is not allowed to get distracted because
- 07:28his purpose is to guide the the blind.
- 07:30And the dog that lives with the
- 07:31homeless, he's not allowed to go in
- 07:33front. Consciously or unconsciously, the
- 07:35dog stays in the back. Nine out of 10
- 07:37homeless people have a pitbull and the
- 07:39dog is well behaved, off leash.
- 07:42I see a lot of them in my neighborhood.
- 07:43This is Los Angeles. Incredible.
- 07:45Incredible. Right. But in Mexico, every
- 07:47single dog in a third country, every
- 07:48single dog is off leash. So that's uh in
- 07:52America the American dream for a lot of
- 07:54people is is to have a dog walk off
- 07:56leash because people pay a trainer to
- 07:58train their dog to be off leash with
- 08:01this is the nature of a you see it does
- 08:03doesn't make any sense you know once you
- 08:05hear it is you just have to uh help them
- 08:08by practicing the ritual of no touch no
- 08:10talk no eye contact let the dog be calm
- 08:12surrender in front of you make sure
- 08:14during the walk he's also in the same
- 08:16state of mind and before you feed him do
- 08:18this for at least three weeks Right? So
- 08:20you get into this habit,
- 08:22right, that when you greet, when you
- 08:24walk, and when you feed. So then this
- 08:27dog is going to have this beautiful
- 08:29silence, calm, surrender. And this is
- 08:31the dog you bring into dog parks or dog
- 08:34beaches. And then your job is to make
- 08:36sure that you uh the dog that your dog
- 08:38is going to play with has the same
- 08:39energy as your dog. You have to be
- 08:42selective just like with kids.
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