Best Diet to Improve & Maintain Brain Health | Dr. Tommy Wood & Dr. Andrew Huberman
Dr. Tommy Wood and Dr. Andrew Huberman discuss the role of nutrition in brain health and dementia prevention, emphasizing the synergistic relationship betwee...
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Diets for Dementia Prevention
- 00:00in these studies, these large-scale uh
- 00:02trials, uh what was the diet
- 00:04intervention? Can we distill it down to
- 00:06some things that um everyone should do
- 00:09or ought to consider?
- 00:10Most interventions in the sort of um
- 00:15cognitive and psychological space are
- 00:16focused on some version of the
- 00:18Mediterranean diet. Um there's uh the
- 00:22mind diet, um Mediterranean intervention
- 00:25to prevent neurogenerative delay. It
- 00:27came out of the Rush U memory and aging
- 00:30project and it's basically just a
- 00:31version of the um Mediterranean diet
- 00:34kind of focused on um dementia
- 00:37prevention and the way they initially
- 00:39created it was they looked at foods that
- 00:41people ate more or less of and created a
- 00:44score and those who had a higher score
- 00:45tends to you know had a lower risk of
- 00:47later de dementia. It wasn't an
- 00:48intervention when it was when it was
- 00:49first um developed but that was kind of
- 00:52the version. It's kind of combination of
- 00:54the Mediterranean diet and the DASH diet
- 00:56which is um like a a anti-hypertension
- 00:59blood pressure treatment type diet. So
- 01:02it's uh you know seafood, vegetables,
- 01:04berries, whole grains, that kind of
- 01:07stuff.
- 01:08Not too much uh saturated fat or animal
- 01:10protein.
- 01:10Yeah. And so this is very similar to the
- 01:12diet they used in the SMIS trial which
- 01:14was the first randomized control trial
- 01:15in depression that showed significant
- 01:17improvements in in mood symptoms. I
- 01:20think the the principles are useful, but
- 01:22there's not necessarily a huge amount of
- 01:23evidence to say that like this is the
- 01:25way that you you should or you have to
- 01:28eat uh to maintain cognitive health.
- 01:30There was actually um a big trial of the
- 01:33of the mind diet. It was published in
- 01:35the New England Journal of Medicine a
- 01:37couple of years ago and they compared uh
- 01:39the mind diet to standard caloric
- 01:42restriction. Um and actually they saw
- 01:44similar benefits in both in both groups.
- 01:46There have been big observational
- 01:47studies that have looked at how much
- 01:49their diet looks like a Mediterranean
- 01:51diet. And those whose diets look more
- 01:53like Mediterranean diets, yes, they have
- 01:55a lower risk of dementia. Of course,
- 01:56right, this is observational data,
- 01:58right? So, it's not you can't say it's
- 01:59causal. But what's interesting in some
- 02:02of these studies, there was a big one
- 02:03that came out of the UK bio bank was
- 02:05that they um took out individual uh
- 02:09foods or food components of the
- 02:10Mediterranean diet to see if that
- 02:12changed the relationship between the
- 02:14Mediterranean diet and dementia risk.
- 02:16And there was no food or you know olive
- 02:18oil or food group or you eating more or
- 02:21less meat that changed the relationship
- 02:23between the Mediterranean diet and
- 02:24dementia risk. So what that tells me is
Nutrient Density & Whole Foods
- 02:26it's much more about whole foods.
- 02:29they're nutrientdense rather than
- 02:32avoiding any you have to eat you have to
- 02:36consume lots of olive oil right or you
- 02:38have to restrict meat because if those
- 02:41things are eaten in the context of all
- 02:42this other stuff it's really that bigger
- 02:44context of diet quality and nutrient
- 02:47density that really matters so the the
- 02:51parts of diet that I think about are the
- 02:55you know there's three so there's energy
- 02:57there's nutrients and then there's
- 02:58overall dietary pattern. So, one of the
- 03:02confounding things about that trial I
- 03:03told you about the mind diet versus
- 03:05caloric restriction is you're like,
- 03:06well, the mind diet should win out,
Caloric Intake & Brain Volume
- 03:08right? How does caloric restriction do
- 03:10just as well? And in the kind of average
- 03:14population,
- 03:15we tend to have some issues with
- 03:18metabolic health and have been in a
- 03:21state of chronic energy excess for some
- 03:23period of time. There's been some very
- 03:24nice studies that have looked at brain
- 03:26aging and brain volume or brain reserve
- 03:30um across different populations. There
- 03:32was um there was uh one group that
- 03:34looked at different um tribes in
- 03:37Bolivia, the Bolivian Chiman who are
- 03:38hunter gatherer group, the Metan who are
- 03:41kind of an intermediate group between
- 03:43sort of the Chiman and like a standard
- 03:45kind of industrialized group and then
- 03:47industrialized humans in the US and
- 03:49Europe. And what they found is there's
- 03:50kind of this um bell-shaped curve
- 03:52between energy availability and brain
- 03:55volume. And in general, brain volume,
- 03:57right, the more the better, right, we
- 03:59think. And so if you're chronically
- 04:01calorically restricted, your brain is
- 04:03smaller um because you just don't have
- 04:05the resources to invest in, you know,
- 04:08the structure um and to maintain it. At
- 04:11the other end, you see the same thing.
- 04:12So if you're chronically in a chronic
- 04:14state of chloric excess, you also tend
- 04:16to have a smaller brain on average. And
- 04:18this is related to metabolic disease um
- 04:21you know and you know potentially and
- 04:24what comes with it um higher levels of
- 04:26inflammation high blood pressure things
- 04:27like that that we know can negatively
- 04:29impact the brain. [snorts] So the most
- 04:31important thing and I think this is
- 04:32where some of the benefits of caloric
- 04:33restriction happened in that in that
- 04:35trial compared to the mind diet was that
- 04:38you know people's cognition improved
- 04:40just because they decreased their energy
- 04:42intake to a point that was you know more
- 04:45you know was essentially kind of what
- 04:47their brain kind of needed or you know
- 04:49kind of supported their overall physical
- 04:51health which then affects you know
- 04:52cognitive health and and brain volume
- 04:54and and brain function. So the first
- 04:57thing to do is to make sure that you're
- 04:58eating enough but not too much right and
- 05:01that's very simplistic but like energy
- 05:03is really critical energy availability
- 05:05not too low not too high then the next
- 05:07thing that you need is there is is
Critical Nutrients for Cognitive Function
- 05:10nutrients we know there are several
- 05:12critical nutrients for related to
- 05:14cognitive function and risk of dementia
- 05:16um the ones that we have the best
- 05:17evidence for are vitamin D iron omega-3
- 05:20fatty acids uh the B vitamins uh
- 05:23involved and the B vitamins involved in
- 05:24methylation so particularly B12 and
- 05:26folate also potentially B6 and
- 05:28riboflavin although that might depend a
- 05:30little bit more on on the individual.
- 05:32Then there are some other nutrients that
- 05:34you know have some pretty good evidence
- 05:35for them. So many of the antioxidant uh
- 05:38polyphenols things that you get from
- 05:40berries, coffee, tea, chocolate, the
- 05:42carotenoids that make things orange,
- 05:44yellow and red. Um lutein zeazanthin
- 05:47aazanthin if it comes from seafood
- 05:49that's that's what makes shrimp and
- 05:50salmon pink. Um and then you know some
- 05:53other aspects like dietary fiber seems
- 05:55to have you know some some benefits as
- 05:57well.
- 05:57Not magnesium.
- 05:58So magnesium is absolutely absolutely in
- 06:00there in there too. Um and in general I
- 06:03think um and the so magnesium uh zinc um
- 06:08then there's some of the structural
- 06:10lipid components things like choline and
- 06:11ethanolamine that you might get from um
- 06:14nuts and seeds or eggs. They have some
- 06:17slightly less you like less evidence.
- 06:20you really when you're looking at um
- 06:23brain changes over time and dementia
- 06:24risk, but they certainly do seem to be
- 06:26related to to cognitive function. So,
- 06:28there are some studies that show that
- 06:29those who have lower magnesium intakes
- 06:31tend on average to perform less well on
- 06:34some some cognitive function tests. So,
- 06:36all of those do seem to be important. I
- 06:39have two questions about nutrients and
- 06:42brain health in [clears throat] short
- 06:43and long term. And they have to do with
- 06:45interactions between nutrients,
- 06:47which at least to my understanding are
- 06:49rarely explored.
- 06:50You know, you'll see studies of
- 06:51supplementing omega-3 or having people
- 06:53eat some fatty fish or or less and so
- 06:56on, but rarely in the presence or
- 06:58absence of some other vitamin that, you
- 07:01know, that can potentially impact the
- 07:04same pathways. So there's synergy.
- 07:05There's also, you know, necessity.
- 07:08So that could impact results. The other
- 07:11piece is on what time scale are these
- 07:13nutrients needed and on what time scale
- 07:16are they metabolized? So maybe to just
- 07:18kind of drill into the second question
- 07:19first. So you know I'm not out here as
The Role of Dietary Supplements
- 07:22like the defender of supplements, but
- 07:24I've been taking supplements in various
- 07:26forms and eating whole foods and eating
- 07:28as generally healthily. You know, less
- 07:31so when I was younger, but still pretty
- 07:32healthy and more so as I get older. But
- 07:36here's where my brain goes. Wait, whole
- 07:40food is great, but let's say dark leafy
- 07:44greens have a bunch of things in them
- 07:46that are fundamentally important for
- 07:48brain and bodily health. Great. And they
- 07:50have fiber, etc.
- 07:52How many times a week am I eating dark
- 07:54leafy greens? Let's say I do Monday,
- 07:56Tuesday, Wednesday, I'm great. But then
- 07:57I'm traveling on, you know, Thursday,
- 07:59Friday. Should I be just supplementing
- 08:00Thursday, Friday? Am I good until the
- 08:02next week? I think one of the reasons
- 08:04why eating really well, I think everyone
- 08:08knows what that means, not enough
- 08:09calories, not too many, mostly whole
- 08:11foods, etc., enough vegetables, fruits,
- 08:14and high quality protein and quality
- 08:18fats.
- 08:19I think the reason why supplements still
- 08:21become enticing to me, maybe even
- 08:24necessary, is because you can take them
- 08:26every day very easily.
- 08:28So, you can make sure that you're in
- 08:31range and maybe above range. So, let's
- 08:34take one of these things, okay? Omega-3
- 08:36fatty acids. I I believe that the data
- 08:40are pretty compelling. They can be
- 08:41helpful for health, maybe even brain
- 08:43health. Certainly, I believe that. But
- 08:46let's say the early part of my week is
- 08:48omega-3 rich and the later part of my
- 08:50week is omega-3 poor.
- 08:53Am I good? Versus, you know, spreading
- 08:56it out across the week. It just becomes
- 08:58difficult to eat in a truly healthy way.
- 09:01I if uh if it's the case that it has to
- 09:03be consistent every 24 hours. So what do
- 09:06we know?
- 09:07So again I think we're often tempted to
- 09:10over complicate this and try and think
- 09:14oh you know I have to hit all these
- 09:15things at this interval and if I can't
- 09:18do that then I have to supplement. And
- 09:21in reality we probably have more buffer
- 09:24in the system than than we realize. So
Omega-3 Absorption & Storage
- 09:27um omega-3 fats is a really good
- 09:28example. your adapose tissue, your fat
- 09:32tissue is a depo, you know, it kind of
- 09:36stores excess omega-3s. I actually wrote
- 09:38a paper on this with a colleague of
- 09:40mine, Rory Heath, a few years ago. The
- 09:42longchain omega-3s that we have in our
- 09:44in our fat stores um may help to explain
- 09:48why supplementation does or doesn't work
- 09:50in some of these trials because
- 09:52some people just have more kind of
- 09:54hanging around. And if you eat more than
- 09:56you need on one day,
- 09:58um especially in a state of caloric
- 10:00excess, um that's going to be stored in
- 10:02your fat tissue. And then when uh you're
- 10:05sleeping or when you uh initiate uh
- 10:08lipolysis, the breakdown of fat. So
- 10:09particularly during periods like you're
- 10:10doing exercise, those then get released
- 10:13and they the brain then has access to
- 10:15them. So there's some studies that um
- 10:17show that when you this relates to the
- 10:20form of the omega-3s as well. So many
- 10:22people will tell you that you have to
- 10:23take omega-3s in the phosphoipid form uh
- 10:26which is like a a special it's a special
- 10:28supplement. Um you can get it from
- 10:30krill. Um and the the form is with that
- 10:34the fat is attached to like a a
- 10:36phosphoipid head group just like it
- 10:38would be if it was sitting in in a cell
- 10:39membrane and there's a specific pathway
- 10:41for those to get into the brain.
- 10:44It's only krill or it's fish oil also.
- 10:45Uh no. So fish tends to be the
- 10:47triglyceride form uh which is your
- 10:49glycerol and then three fatty acids
- 10:51attached.
- 10:52When you compare a single dose of
- 10:55phospholipid versus triglyceride form
- 10:58then more of the phosphoipid form gets
- 11:00into the brain. Some of this you most of
- 11:01this comes from rodent studies. But
- 11:04what's interesting is if you supplement
- 11:05over several days, it all kind of comes
- 11:08out in the wash because the triglyceride
- 11:09form um cycles through the adipose
- 11:12tissue as a depo and then it gets
- 11:14released and the brain can then use it.
- 11:16So if you're going to take just one day
- 11:19of supplement and you want to get as
- 11:21much of that omega-3 in your brain, yes,
- 11:22you should take the we think we should
- 11:24you should take the phosphoippid form.
- 11:25But the form that comes in seafood,
- 11:27which is primarily the trig trigide
- 11:29form, is regulated through the body's
- 11:32fat stores. So, this is a really long
- 11:34way of me telling you if you eat some
- 11:36fish early in the week, you don't then
- 11:37have to supplement later in the week as
- 11:39long as you got kind of enough. And
- 11:41especially if you've consistently eaten
- 11:43seafood across your entire life because
- 11:44you probably have a bit of a depo. And
- 11:47so, what you see in several
- 11:51trials where they've given omega-3s to
- 11:54decrease dementia risk or improve
- 11:56cognitive function. So, many studies of
- 11:59like that have been done. There was
- 12:00actually a very recent one that just
- 12:01came out of of USC where they gave
- 12:04omega-3s for a long period of time. They
- 12:06measured omega-3 levels in the in the
- 12:08CSF, right, in the spinal fluid of these
- 12:10people to show that this the omega-3s
- 12:12were getting into the brain. They didn't
- 12:13see any changes in terms of cognitive
- 12:15function or um brain structure on an MRI
- 12:18scan. So, everybody's like, well,
- 12:19omega-3s don't work. But when you kind
- 12:21of squint at the data and and they
- 12:24didn't quite give me the data that I
- 12:26wanted. But when you look at it, those
- 12:27the people in the trial just didn't seem
- 12:29that omega-3 deficient in the first
- 12:31place. So, right, if this isn't
- 12:33something that you need more of to start
- 12:35with, giving a load more of it isn't
- 12:37going to make that much of a difference,
- 12:38right? And this is the case for all of
- 12:41these different supplements. So, the
- 12:44best advice if you have access to it is
- 12:46to test your levels. Test your vitamin D
- 12:48levels. test your hemoglobin and iron
- 12:50levels, test your omega-3 levels, test
- 12:52your homocyine levels, which is as is a
- 12:54marker of B vitamin status, which we
- 12:55know is a a risk factor for cognitive
- 12:58decline dementia as well. So, if um if
Testing Nutrient Levels for Risk
- 13:02you can test your levels and it shows
- 13:04that you need more and yes, there are
- 13:06the the normal ranges that you have on a
- 13:08blood test are not necessarily the same
- 13:10as the risk ranges. So um homoyine is a
- 13:14good example. A normal range for
- 13:15homocyine which goes up if you need uh
- 13:18some of these methylation dependent B
- 13:20vitamins. The normal range might go up
- 13:22to like 15 or 16. But we know that risk
- 13:25is definitely elevated above 13 and is
- 13:28probably elevated above sort of 10 to
- 13:3011. So what your target range really
- 13:34might be is is probably lower than what
- 13:35the normal range might be. But we have
- 13:38very good evidence that if you then
- 13:40supplement when somebody is above that
- 13:43range and you bring that down, you see
- 13:45significant improvements in in cognitive
- 13:47function or slowed cognitive decline.
- 13:49That is particularly the case for
- 13:52omega-3s and B vitamins that lower
- 13:54homocyine. And so this is the
- 13:55interactions that you were talking about
- 13:57earlier and this is the best one that we
- 13:58know of although I'm sure there are many
- 14:00more. Like I said, there are lots of
- 14:02trials that have given omega-3s or have
- 14:05given u B vitamins to lower homocyine
- 14:08and just haven't seen much of an effect.
- 14:09And everybody goes, "Oh, well, they
- 14:10don't work." But there are now at least
- 14:12three randomized control trials that
- 14:14have shown that omega-3 status and B
- 14:16vitamin status interact and they're
- 14:18dependent on one another. So, if you
- 14:20give uh B vitamins to somebody who has
- 14:22elevated homocyine, you bring down their
- 14:24homocyine, but they have poor omega-3
- 14:26levels, you don't see any benefit. And
- 14:29[snorts] that's been shown in two
- 14:30trials. It was originally shown in the
- 14:31Vitocog trial that was run out of the
- 14:32University of Oxford. Um it was then uh
- 14:35replicated in the Broof uh trial. Then
- 14:38the other side has also been shown.
- 14:40There was a in the Omega AD trial they
- 14:42showed that supplementing with omega-3s
- 14:45didn't result in any benefit if people
- 14:46had elevated homocyine. So that's just
- 14:50one example and you can imagine like you
- 14:52kind of said there are probably lots of
- 14:53these and if we're not you know going
- 14:55into a study actually looking like well
- 14:58what nutrients does this person need and
- 15:01then supplementing with them um you you
- 15:04you're not going to find any effect.
Multivitamins & Cognitive Health
- 15:05You're like you shouldn't be surprised
- 15:06when there's a when when the study
- 15:08doesn't show anything. potentially the
- 15:10one
- 15:12recent um example of kind of
- 15:18just giving a broadbased kind of set of
- 15:21nutrients with a multivitamin that
- 15:23seemed to work fairly well was the
- 15:25Cosmos study people may have heard of.
- 15:27It was thousands of people of older
- 15:30adults um and they were given either a
- 15:31multivitamin or a a flavoronoid
- 15:33supplement.
- 15:33It's like a sententrum type vitamin.
- 15:35Yeah, it was it was Centrum silver,
- 15:36right? The most basic multivitamin, just
- 15:39100% of the recommended daily allowance,
- 15:41not like no multi no like massive doses
- 15:44of anything.
- 15:45And in [snorts] that study, those who
- 15:46got the mil got the multivitamin saw,
- 15:49you know, changes in cognitive function
- 15:50that suggested some like some some
- 15:52improvements and but that was literally
- 15:54just covering the bases, right? No
- 15:56massive doses, the most basic
- 15:58multivitamin. So in the kind [snorts] of
- 16:00general population, I think you could
- 16:02say that something like that is probably
- 16:04a reasonable strategy. But what they
- 16:06also showed was that um supplementing
- 16:08with this antioxidant cocoa flavonol was
- 16:11only beneficial in those who tended to
- 16:12have a poor quality diet to start with.
- 16:14Right? So they just weren't getting many
- 16:16of these kind of compounds from their
- 16:17diet. If you're drinking a lot of
- 16:18coffee, eating a lot of berries, seeing
- 16:20a lot of fruits and vegetables, you
- 16:21probably don't need it cuz you're
- 16:22already getting it. [music]
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