How I built $2B AI Translation Startup | DeepL, Jarek Kutylowski
Today's story is about Jarek Kutylowski, the CEO of DeepL. DeepL is a platform that provides high-quality machine translation and AI-based writing tools, supporting multilingual communication for businesses. It was also one of the few companies to develop a product based on AI long before AI became widely popular. Recently, it concluded a fundraising round with a valuation of $2 billion. Jarek, the CEO, moved from Poland to Germany during his chi
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Intro
- 00:00We've been the first company to the market with an AI based
- 00:04neural network translation solution, which just blew away everybody else.
- 00:08And we gathered the early adopters that they started spreading the word
- 00:12of mouth and it was all about speed.
- 00:14If we have come up like half a year later, a year later,
- 00:17I don't know if that would have worked so well.
- 00:19You have to move fast.
- 00:20You have to figure out what is the next challenge,
- 00:23approach it, solve it, and then move on.
- 00:25Hi, I'm Jared Kotlowski, founder and CEO of DeepL, a company that builds AI that helps
- 00:31breaking down language barriers by making translations available to everyone.
- 00:34Deepl has grown out of this huge free service that everybody out there
- 00:38in the world can use, and this service is being used by hundreds
- 00:41of millions of people every month.
- 00:43And out of that, we've built a base of over 100,000 companies
- 00:47that are working people on top of that.
- 00:49A few months ago, we just completed a fundraise which was valued at $2 billion.
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Chapter 1. An immigrant who couldn't speak German
- 01:51I grew up in Poland, which was at this point in time kind of a country
- 01:55in a switch between the communist system towards a post-communist one.
- 01:59I got access to technology a little bit later than I think people in the rest
- 02:04of the world, and I was just amazed by how much you can achieve with tech,
- 02:08especially with software.
- 02:09I moved to Germany with my family, have been thrown into school
- 02:15very, very quickly.
- 02:16I didn't speak basically a word in German, which made me struggle quite a bit.
- 02:21I still remember the first day in in class when I walked in
- 02:24and I couldn't even really spell my name.
- 02:27I had to learn how to survive in an environment
- 02:30maybe a little bit more complicated.
- 02:32I was lucky to learn German very, very quickly, so that made me feel welcome
- 02:37and belonging in that community quickly.
- 02:39I learned language and communication is super important in this world.
- 02:43If you want to belong to a community, you need to be able to understand each other.
- 02:49Basically, from the very early days when I was fascinated by technology,
- 02:53this was really the path also that I have chosen in school and later in in studies,
- 02:58I majored in computer science.
- 02:59I went on to do a PhD in like really theoretical computer science.
- 03:04I really enjoyed a very solid theoretical foundation.
- 03:07I think doing a PhD really also builds up a lot of in that process, because usually
- 03:14you're really thrown into a field of research that is not yet discovered.
- 03:18You have to really uncover something.
- 03:21You have to go through that process pretty much on your own, at least for myself,
- 03:25but also for all of the peers that I've seen built up a lot of resilience for
- 03:29for the future of their of their life.
- 03:32After my PhD, after my really academic years, I spent a little bit of time
- 03:36working for a larger corporation that didn't really fully suit me.
- 03:40And then at some point in time, I really, I really realized
- 03:42I want to build something,
- 03:43I want to be part of something bigger and like really starting a company,
- 03:47funding a company, kind of embarking on DeepL journey.
- 03:50That was something that that really fascinated me.
Chapter 2. Bridging Language Barriers with AI
- 03:56I think in 2016 to 2017.
- 03:59There was this great moment when it has become pretty clear, at least
- 04:03in the in the academic environment,
- 04:06there is a lot that can be done with neural networks in AI.
- 04:09So that was an excellent point in time in which we started at the beginning,
- 04:13really to play around with the technology and see what we can do with that,
- 04:17how that can be applied for some problems that we might be thinking of.
- 04:21And I had this background in language. I've been living in two countries.
- 04:25I knew what it means to speak different languages.
- 04:27I knew how big of a problem that is from a European perspective.
- 04:31Each and every time you want to travel to another country, but most importantly
- 04:35do business with another country, there is going to be a language barrier.
- 04:38If we look at Germany, the companies in the country are selling
- 04:42to French customers, they're selling to Italian customers, they're going
- 04:45to be selling to Polish customers.
- 04:47And you can try doing that just by speaking English all of the time.
- 04:53But at the end, every person wants to be addressed in some ways in their local
- 04:58language, they will understand much better what you're offering them.
- 05:01I think for companies, it's really hard to establish those new markets.
- 05:05What you have to do is you have to hire people really in the specific region,
- 05:10or you have to find people who are qualified to speak
- 05:12in a particular language in your country.
- 05:15And that can mean even like doubling your sales headcount, or that may mean like
- 05:20adding a lot of customer service jobs,
- 05:22for example, for within within your company translation language industry
- 05:27is being told to be like 60 billion.
- 05:29If that is more efficient, if that is more productive,
- 05:31they're going to build better products and be more successful in that market.
- 05:35I think the very early days were pretty specific for DPL because, like,
- 05:39we knew that this problem of translation that this is that this is a big one.
- 05:43I think what we didn't know is whether the technology that we're going
- 05:47to be able to build is going to be enough to solve those problems
- 05:50and be better than our competition.
- 05:52I think that was the unknown, but it was pretty clear that there's
- 05:55this big problem that can be solved.
- 05:57I think what we didn't know really particularly well also was how to embed
- 06:01maybe that technological solution into real life applications,
- 06:05how we can go fully to the market.
- 06:07And for that, we've just kind of tried to go the path of least resistance.
- 06:12We built the technology, we put out a free service that was that was super basic,
- 06:17that just gave a very bare bones access to the to the technology itself.
- 06:22But at the at the same time was also simple to start using
- 06:26as few barriers as possible, like no login, nothing like that,
- 06:30just go there and start using the product.
- 06:32And for us, that was a great way to validate whether this technology and this
- 06:36early product idea actually make sense.
- 06:38And if there's market opportunity for that.
- 06:41And out of that, we've seen like a very clear signals
- 06:44that this is actually what people want.
- 06:46And this is actually what, what users what users need through just
- 06:50purely looking at the usage numbers.
- 06:52That was super simple.
- 06:53I think the next step and the challenge there was to look whether this is
- 06:57something that people are going to also be willing to pay for, whether there
- 07:00is a monetization pattern for that.
- 07:03And this is something that we then started doing in 2018,
- 07:07introducing new functionality into the product, potentially putting
- 07:10those behind paywalls and seeing whether we can convert customers.
- 07:15We can convert free users into into being customers.
- 07:19A lot of that at the very beginning was really based on a gut feeling.
- 07:22And I think at the very beginning you have to have those hypotheses
- 07:25which come out of the founding team.
- 07:28But I think specifically when you're working in such a slightly
- 07:31more consumer ish market at the beginning, you have to rely a lot on quantitative
- 07:36data rather than on qualitative findings.
- 07:38The more customer focused that came slightly later
- 07:41when we started shifting the product towards a B2B and enterprise persona.
- 07:45As a buyer,
- 07:47I think the biggest challenge as a first time CEO is really making sure
- 07:51that you're making your decisions and that
- 07:54you're kind of pushing the company at the speed that you could because you don't
- 07:58know what the next step potentially is.
- 08:00You have to rely on a lot of advice on how the company is going
- 08:03to look in the future.
- 08:04You have to find out things on your own, like you kind of understand
- 08:07the point which you are in and extrapolate to the next point.
- 08:12Doing that is incredibly slow. Maybe sometimes.
- 08:16If I were now to found another company and do this the second time, I think I
- 08:21could be just much, much faster in that.
- 08:24Other than that, I do not think that we've as a company
- 08:26made too many like big really mistakes.
- 08:29I think speeding it all up would just make such a big difference I guess.
Chapter 3. Speed Matters
- 08:37If you're in a startup, and especially if you're in a competitive field like ours,
- 08:42like with all of the big tech also having their solutions, you always have to grow
- 08:46and you have to think about growing fast.
- 08:48That is essential for a company for for like even the company's motivational
- 08:52health in a way like it always needs to very fast grow all of the time.
- 08:57And that made us obviously also scale the business in terms of employees,
- 09:01in terms of the number of customers that we have, in terms of the amount
- 09:05of products that we are offering.
- 09:06And all of that was really tailored to that.
- 09:09In 2018, the business was operating profitably already.
- 09:12That is just a function of how cost effective a PLG growth motion is,
- 09:16where you don't have to hire a lot of salespeople.
- 09:19Your customers pretty much come to yourself because they're convinced
- 09:22of the product, but at the same time being financially responsible.
- 09:26We've been lucky in that way as a company, really, and I think the biggest lesson is,
- 09:30once again, it's all about the speed.
- 09:32We've been the first company to the market with, with like an AI based
- 09:36neural network translation solution, which just blew away everybody else and,
- 09:41and made sure that we that we gathered our first user base that that we gathered
- 09:46the early adopters, that they started spreading the word of mouth in the world.
- 09:51And that was all about speed.
- 09:52If we have come up like half a year later, a year later, I don't know
- 09:55if that would have worked so well.
- 09:57So the biggest lesson is really it's all about speed.
- 10:00You have to move fast.
- 10:01You have to figure out what is the next challenge,
- 10:04approach it, solve it, and then move on.
- 10:07If you decided to grow your company very fast, you need to be aware of the change
- 10:12that is happening there.
- 10:13You have to make sure that you understand what is happening,
- 10:16and that you help all of the people in the company be on the change journey.
- 10:20I think the biggest problem with moving fast in a high growth company is really
- 10:25the fact that everybody in that company has to go through a lot of change,
- 10:29because nothing is going to be the same this year as it was the last year.
- 10:32Change is hard for us.
- 10:34This is something our brains, they do not really like going through, but also trying
- 10:39to make sure that everybody knows why we have to go through these change processes,
- 10:44why is it important for the company and everybody is on board with that?
- 10:48And that is incredibly important if you if you're building an organization.
- 10:51But also if you want to go through the change on your own.
- 10:54And and I think context and understanding of the why helps
- 10:59in addition to that like really a lot.
Chapter 4. Choosing the Right AI: General vs. Specialized
- 11:05So there's pretty much two types of AI models that are on the markets right now.
- 11:09The very general generative AI models that can do pretty much anything,
- 11:13and the specialized models which really focus on creating one particular solution
- 11:18at the best quality possible.
- 11:20I think the very big generalized models, or those models that you can
- 11:23actually use for pretty much anything.
- 11:25They have surprised us with their ability to do a wide variety of of tasks really
- 11:31I think what needs to be understood that some of those models actually do not
- 11:35perform that well on particular instances,
- 11:38on particular use cases of problems that we might have, especially in business.
- 11:42In the case of translation, for for stable quality and accuracy, that
- 11:46is not only on one email, on two emails,
- 11:48but like really across the board on a wide range of inputs, and I think this is
- 11:53where specialized models can really shine.
- 11:55They are usually quality tested for a very particular reason, for a
- 11:59very particular use case, and can deliver that quality very, very consistently,
- 12:04while at the same time being potentially also more cost effective and quicker early
- 12:10to run, which which matters very much in some of the use cases.
- 12:13So so I think it's, it's for, for businesses.
- 12:15It's always good to take a look at what business problem
- 12:18are we trying to solve here.
- 12:20What are the general solutions for that versus what are the specialized solutions
- 12:25and what kinds of advantages they bring.
- 12:28And especially I think the world hasn't changed too much
- 12:31in a way that technology itself doesn't yet fully solve the problem.
- 12:35You also have to have the product and the integration and the user experience
- 12:39and the UI solve for having that problem really meaningfully impact
- 12:44your workforce's productivity, efficiency.
- 12:47That case, those specialized solutions will usually come with a full suite
- 12:52that helps solve that holistically.
- 12:54I think if you're thinking about bringing AI into your business, you really
- 12:57have to start with the basics like what kind of problem do you want to solve?
- 13:02Like what is maybe at the core of the performance of your company?
- 13:05What is important for your company and what is potentially working slower
- 13:09where you have a problem?
- 13:11And starting out with that business problem,
- 13:13you can try to to kind of find out what are the potential AI solutions for that.
- 13:18I'm not an advocate of trying to to find applications for AI just as a technology.
- 13:24I'm an advocate of starting with the problem and then looking for the AI
- 13:27solution that can potentially solve that problem in a very good way,
- 13:31because through this, you will be optimizing what is really worth optimizing
- 13:35in your business rather than trying to apply AI to pretty much everything.