How to Enhance Your Brain with AI | Dr. Fei-Fei Li & Dr. Andrew Huberman
Dr. Fei-Fei Li and Dr. Andrew Huberman discuss how artificial intelligence and non-invasive brain-monitoring technologies can be used to augment human agency...
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Decoding Brain Activity
- 00:00I feel like at some point in the not too
- 00:02distant future, uh, computers will have
- 00:05access to our brain activity in
- 00:07non-invasive ways.
- 00:09So, you know, like I might even imagine
- 00:11in 5 10 years I'm wearing something on
- 00:14my head right now. You can't see it.
- 00:15It's a very very fine hairnet. Hairet
- 00:18makes it sound like it whatever. Like
- 00:19some electrodes that are just there on
- 00:21the outside of my skull, not bothering
- 00:22me. sensing my activity inside the
- 00:25brain, maybe also sensing my heart rate,
- 00:27autonomic activity, how alert I am, and
- 00:30comparing that, yes, to what I'm saying
- 00:32and what I'm doing. This is all totally
- 00:34within reach and it's going to happen.
- 00:36You and I both know this and it's
- 00:37probably already starting to scare
- 00:38people, but let's let's let's keep it
- 00:40benevolent, right? There's this world
- 00:41where a computer that I own and I'm not
- 00:44worried about data getting out or
- 00:46anything like that. We've can manage
- 00:47that problem. is sensing all these
- 00:50aspects of me and is picking up on the
- 00:53fact that yes, what I say might be
- 00:55important, but there are aspects of my
- 00:57internal state and brain activity that
- 00:59I'm not even aware of.
- 01:00Yeah. and I can decide to collaborate
- 01:03with this aspect of me and say, "Let's
- 01:06let's come up with a really interesting
- 01:09uh picture that I've never seen before,
- 01:12but comes from some experience of mine
- 01:15that's important based on whatever like
- 01:17we and and it could reveal that to me
- 01:20because it has access to my to
- 01:22unconscious features of my brain
- 01:24activity." I think this is very likely
- 01:26to happen in in the not too distant
- 01:28future and perhaps if people thought
- 01:30about it within the bubble of their own
- 01:32experience like this isn't immediately
- 01:33going to the internet or it's not going
- 01:35to be used against them. you're actually
- 01:37learning about yourself
- 01:38of course
- 01:39and and I feel most people have an
- 01:41inherent interest in what's going on for
- 01:43them also with other people thank
- 01:44goodness but
- 01:45they're I think like amazing like I
- 01:48would love to know why
- 01:50I trip up in certain ways and don't have
- 01:52the best day or why some days I have the
- 01:54best day or where ideas come from in me
- 01:57what states I could you know kind of
- 01:59elaborate on but I'm not going to know
- 02:01how to do that except okay one cup of
- 02:03coffee good one and a half a little
- 02:05better two is too much if I like right
- 02:07now if you think about how primitively
- 02:09we go about this it's kind of crazy.
- 02:12It's crazy and everyone has a different
- 02:14method and we all try and get this right
- 02:15and then you've aged enough by the time
- 02:17you get it right that then you have to
Enhancing Humanity With AI
- 02:18update it and like we're probably not
- 02:19getting the most out of our biology and
- 02:21our brains at all right now.
- 02:22No, we're not. And this is why I keep
- 02:25saying this is why it bothers me when
- 02:28people talk about AI. Some people make
- 02:31it sound like it's replacing humanity.
- 02:34But what we really what you describe is
- 02:37about enhancing and augmenting humanity.
- 02:40Right? This is where it doesn't even
- 02:43have to go as sci-fi as a smart hairet
- 02:46uh accessing your brain waves. Just AI
- 02:49learning your patterns of writing
- 02:53can already help you to be, you know, a
- 02:58better communicator, a more effective
- 03:01communicator, a more efficient
- 03:02communicator. And that is an empowering
- 03:05capability that we could unleash in
- 03:08today's AI. I think one of the most
- 03:11important thing Andrew that as a
- 03:13neuroscientist and also faculty we know
- 03:17is agency is so important for humanity.
- 03:21You know that boils down to motivation,
- 03:24agency and dignity at every individual
- 03:27level. And I think we need to recognize
- 03:30that we need to think about AI as a tool
- 03:34that helps us in our agency. It does it
- 03:37should not take away our agency. And
- 03:40people who lead in today's AI should not
- 03:44try to talk like that this work will
- 03:49take away agency from people.
- 03:52Yeah. Yeah, I think people who are very
- 03:54familiar with the technology whether
- 03:55it's computers or it's biology or any
- 03:59technology cars for that matter
- 04:02we they become such nerds of that thing
- 04:05that we forget that
- 04:07it can be scary to people
Public Fear and AI Rhetoric
- 04:09and that the languaging around it is
- 04:11essential.
- 04:11It is.
- 04:12And I remember a time in the early 90s,
- 04:13I'm sure you remember this too, when
- 04:15genetic testing was viewed as this thing
- 04:17like would you want to have it? Would
- 04:19you want to do a blood test? because oh
- 04:21my goodness, you might see something
- 04:22that could really scare you. And that
- 04:24discussion is happening now around, you
- 04:26know, self-elected MRIs and things like
- 04:29that. None of which people have to do,
- 04:31but I come from the stance like more
- 04:32information is better. But I've come to
- 04:34understand that not everyone feels that
- 04:35way. Some people don't want to know.
- 04:37They don't want to know.
- 04:38Yeah. But they should have the choice.
- 04:40In the meantime, we should have enough
- 04:42public education and communication to
- 04:45let people know the pros and cons, but
- 04:47not to deny them the choice. and also
- 04:50not to take away you know um and and and
- 04:54say well since you don't understand this
- 04:56let me decide for you what's good that
- 04:59is not good you know and and the
- 05:02rhetoric around AI right now is getting
- 05:04really skewed because people who know
- 05:08what this is tend to talk down at the
- 05:12public it tend to talk whether the
- 05:14motivation is a positive one or negative
- 05:16one it there there is a rheto rhetoric
- 05:20of you guys don't know what this is and
- 05:24I will tell you allow will make you
- 05:26whether happy safe whatever it is and I
- 05:29would decide for you these are not
- 05:32healthy and not helpful. Yeah, I agree.
- 05:35And I think, you know, one of the
- 05:36reasons for starting this podcast was to
- 05:38showcase the scientists and physicians
- 05:41who really have a benevolence about them
- 05:43and they have no interest in dumbing
- 05:45things down, but they do have an
- 05:46interest in people understanding things
- 05:48and many people would feel that, you
- 05:50know, health information is among the
- 05:52more important things to understand.
- 05:53Absolutely.
Empowerment Through AI Literacy
- 05:54Well, thankfully, you um you're breaking
- 05:56the mold of of the, you know, the
- 05:58phenotype you just described. um and and
- 06:01there are a few others but you've really
- 06:03uh you've been doing this at at the
- 06:05highest levels really encouraging people
- 06:07to think about the collaboration that is
- 06:09AI the the agency that exists and
- 06:11whether to use it or not to use it and
- 06:13so forth
- 06:14one of the agency I do think it's
- 06:16important for individual humans whether
- 06:18you're a student a teacher doctor policy
- 06:21maker is learn about this not
- 06:24necessarily learn about how to code I
- 06:26don't think that's it's necessary depend
- 06:28on your job right So for example, if
- 06:31you're artist or if you're a teacher or
- 06:33doctor, you don't necessarily need to
- 06:35code, but learn about what this l uh
- 06:37this technology is. Learn about how you
- 06:40can use it yourself to empower yourself,
- 06:44your learning or your work or your
- 06:47expression. By learning,
- 06:50one feels more in control. By learning,
- 06:53you're less scared of trying. And by
- 06:57learning, you retain that agency. and
- 07:00that dignity because at the end of the
- 07:02day, no matter how advanced technology
- 07:04is or medicine is, as humans, we want
- 07:08that benevolence that helps us to live
- 07:10better, keep our dignity, and and make
- 07:13our community better.
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