How to Discover Your Passion | Dr. Andrew Huberman
Dr. Andrew Huberman discusses actionable strategies for discovering your true passion and purpose, emphasizing the importance of maintaining daily structure, seeking diverse external inputs, and mastering foundational skills before applying a unique personal contribution.
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Kevin's Question: How to Find Your Passion?
- 00:00Hello, Mr. Andrew Heberman. My name is
- 00:02Kevin and my question is, how does one
- 00:05find what they are truly passionate
- 00:07about? Because anyone that follows you
- 00:11and what you do can safely assume that
- 00:13you're passionate about health, science,
- 00:16and teaching the community about those
- 00:18things.
- 00:20And as someone who just graduated from
- 00:23college and is finding themsself in the
- 00:26world, and I'm sure I can speak for
- 00:28millions of other people, I was
- 00:31wondering if there was any sciencebacked
- 00:33evidence of being able to find what
- 00:36someone is really truly passionate
- 00:37about. Kevin, thank [clears throat] you
- 00:40so much for your question. This is a
- 00:43vital question in our lives, regardless
- 00:46of age. Oh, and congratulations on
- 00:48graduating college. That's no small
- 00:50feat. I know people have mixed feelings
- 00:52nowadays about the value of degrees,
- 00:54etc. I, you know, and here I'm heavily
- 00:56biased. I'm a university professor. Um,
- 00:59and I'm, you know, super enthusiastic
- 01:02about learning and teaching and all the
- 01:03rest. But I I still think for many, not
- 01:06all, it it's a wonderful choice and and
- 01:08it's no small thing to finish uh a
- 01:10degree. So, congratulations to you and
- 01:12to your family. Finding your passion,
- 01:15that's a big question. It's actually one
- 01:17that I touch on in the final chapter of
- 01:20my book among other things in that
- 01:21chapter. And that's not a plug for the
- 01:23book. Um, it's just simply to say that I
- 01:25go into this in in some detail beyond
- 01:28what I'm going to offer here just for
- 01:29sake of time. I'll do my best to give
Maintain Daily Structure
- 01:32you and anyone else listening to this
- 01:34what I think are the key things
- 01:37regardless of age.
- 01:40First of all,
- 01:42if you don't know what your passion is,
- 01:45and even if you think you might, even if
- 01:48you are absolutely sure you do, it is
- 01:51absolutely critical that if you want to
- 01:53be successful, that you continue to be
- 01:56structured about your daily life. Now, I
- 01:58don't mean overoptimization,
- 02:01doing every single health protocol.
- 02:02That's not what I'm talking about. What
- 02:04I'm talking about is you need to have a
- 02:07purpose each day and waking up even if
- 02:09it's not the thing. It doesn't feel like
- 02:11the thing. So I think it's very
- 02:12important if you're a student to focus
- 02:14on your studies. If you're able to do
- 02:16that and not work, more power to you.
- 02:18Many people have to do that and work. If
- 02:20you're working a job, no matter how far
- 02:23from where you would like to be
- 02:25eventually internally, you know, if it's
- 02:28the completely wrong career for you,
- 02:30until you start to feel something
- 02:33pulling you or even just tilting you in
- 02:35a slightly different direction, it is
- 02:37vitally important to continue to take
- 02:40care of yourself to try and get the
- 02:41sleep that you can, to get your morning
- 02:43sunlight, to get some exercise. Do those
- 02:45things. Doesn't matter if you're a store
- 02:47clerk, you're selling shoes. I mean,
- 02:49long before I became a scientist, I
- 02:51mean, I worked in skateboard shops. I
- 02:53sold shoes. I assembled um uh radio
- 02:57flyer wagons and toys at a toy store. Um
- 03:01I mean, I worked in a bakery. I had a
- 03:04paper route. I mowed lawns. I did all
- 03:06those things. Um I can't say that I
- 03:08loved all those jobs. Some of them I
- 03:09liked more than others. Some of them
- 03:11paid barely anything. Some of them paid
- 03:13a little better. But it's just so
- 03:15important to con to stay busy and to
- 03:17continue to work and work on yourself.
No Input, No Output
- 03:20And this isn't just theory, right?
- 03:21You're you're cultivating the skills
- 03:23that in some way you're going to apply
- 03:26to your passion once you find it. Now,
- 03:28how do you find the passion? The way you
- 03:29find the passion can be best summarized.
- 03:32Not to sound uh mystical here, it sounds
- 03:35a little bit like a riddle, but you know
- 03:36the great Joe Strummer from the Clash
- 03:39who in my opinion started the better
- 03:41band, the Mescaleros later, which wasn't
- 03:44punk rock, it's not I don't even know if
- 03:46it's rock and roll, it's just music.
- 03:47Amazing. He created three masterpieces
- 03:49later in his life. You know, he had this
- 03:52saying which was it was literally called
- 03:54Strummer's law, which is no input, no
- 03:56output. You need to be interfacing with
- 03:59the world in order to have ideas and to
- 04:02discover what your passion is. You know,
- 04:03the other day, um, because I had a bunch
- 04:05of just kind of wrote things to do, I
- 04:07had to handle a bunch of stuff that
- 04:08could be done kind of mindlessly, but it
- 04:10had to be done. I was listening to a
- 04:13lecture on modern art history. I just
- 04:16decided to put that in modern art
- 04:18history documentary into YouTube. Just
- 04:20saw what came up and I discovered two
- 04:22artists that just completely blew my
- 04:25mind. And I love art. I love modern art.
- 04:27I hadn't really gone down this rabbit
- 04:30hole of these two particular artists and
- 04:32it doesn't really matter who they are or
- 04:33what they did but in that listening I
- 04:36had a couple of ideas about things
- 04:38related to the visual system that I
- 04:41worked on years ago and some interest
- 04:43that I have in eye health as it relates
- 04:46to some of this emerging peptide science
- 04:49field. Okay, that's the way the brain
- 04:51works. It's taking different nodes of
- 04:55interest and combining them and that's
- 04:57what your original contribution to the
- 04:59world whatever it happens to be in
- 05:00whether it's in exercise science or
- 05:02finance or you're a high school teacher
- 05:05those things are going to converge in
- 05:06the unique version that is you. Now the
- 05:10only way that you can find your passion
- 05:12is to keep an active interest in the
- 05:15world. That also means not getting
- 05:18pulled into other people's rabbit holes.
- 05:19You need to avoid two things critically.
Avoid Drama & Numbing Out
- 05:21These are the don'ts. Avoid drama,
- 05:24especially getting pulled into it, and
- 05:26avoid numbing out. Anything that
- 05:28activates you, gets you angry. Okay,
- 05:31that might be something that could turn
- 05:32into a sense of justice and advocacy.
- 05:35Great. If that's your path, okay, maybe
- 05:38you go into public policy or something
- 05:39of that sort or into advocacy for
- 05:42animals or the world or certain group of
- 05:45people. Great. But [snorts] you have to
- 05:47be very careful that you're not getting
- 05:48pulled into meaningless dramas that
- 05:50you're not also numbing out because a
- 05:53lot of what's out there in the world is
- 05:54designed to do one or two of those
- 05:55things. So stay structured in your life.
- 05:58Do some job work. This is critical. I
- 06:02also think at a certain age for some
- 06:05people earlier than others because they
- 06:07have to earning your own money just
- 06:09feels good even if it's not a lot. just
- 06:11earning your own money, putting in
- 06:12savings, maybe spending some of it,
- 06:14putting into investment account, that
- 06:15kind of thing feels really good. You're
- 06:17building something.
- 06:20That algorithm, that underlying
- 06:22operation of doing something, showing
- 06:24up, trying to be good at it, maybe even
- 06:26great at it, even though it's not your
- 06:28calling, sets the stage. It prepares you
- 06:30for when you get kind of pulled towards
- 06:32something. Oh, I'm really interested
- 06:34also in this aspect of fitness or this
- 06:36aspect of film making. And eventually
- 06:39you'll pick your trajectory. And the key
- 06:41thing is to remember that's not your
- 06:43final trajectory. You're heading off on
- 06:45a vector that will take you someplace
- 06:47that will take you someplace else,
- 06:49someplace else. You may have one career,
- 06:50you may have several in your lifetime,
- 06:53but no input, no output. Remain curious
- 06:55and become good and ideally great at
- 06:59listening to your own inner compass or I
- 07:02like to think about it antenna.
- 07:04Occasionally I see something I'm just
- 07:05like, "Wow, this is I don't know why
- 07:07it's interesting and I don't care."
- 07:09You're inspired by it. Some element of
- 07:11it gets into your consciousness and you
- 07:13move forward with that. I actually have
- 07:14a notebook. This is something I've done
- 07:16um since my teens. Early in my academic
- 07:19career, I had a a list. I update that
Track What Inspires You
- 07:22list and I have names of different
- 07:25people. Some were from the world of
- 07:28science, some from health and fitness,
- 07:31some from art, some from music. I'm not
- 07:33a musician. I have zero minus and
- 07:35infinity musical talent, but I love
- 07:37music as a consumer. I just really enjoy
- 07:39being a consumer of it. These are people
- 07:40whose kind of careers or what they did
- 07:44really impressed me. They resonated with
- 07:45me. That's that's the thing because I
- 07:48mean a lot of people impressed me, but
- 07:49it resonated with me. And over the
- 07:51years, I would cross some out and add
- 07:52some in. And in many ways, the career
- 07:55arc that I've taken, the passion arc or
- 07:57passions plural arc that I've taken is a
- 08:00reflection of all of that, plus my own
- 08:02unique experience.
- 08:04By the way, this was long before podcast
- 08:05or even heard about personal development
- 08:07or any of that.
- 08:09Get in touch with what moves you, what
- 08:12wakes you up, what kind of gives you a
- 08:13charge in your body that's not
- 08:15meaningless drama. And also avoid
- 08:17numbing out. And here's the other piece.
- 08:20If you're going to go down a particular
- 08:22path, this is so critical. If you're
- 08:25going to go down a certain path, don't
- 08:27try and bring your unique spin into it
- 08:30too early. Every career path, whether
Chop Wood, Carry Water
- 08:32it's biological sciences or psychology
- 08:34or exercise physiology or finance,
- 08:37there's a chop wood carry water phase of
- 08:39that where you have to develop the
- 08:41competency
- 08:43and go from unskilled to skilled and
- 08:45hopefully from skilled to mastery in
- 08:47that thing. And first of all, no one
- 08:49wants to work with the person that's
- 08:51trying to bring their own unique spin to
- 08:52the thing that they barely understand
- 08:55too early. Okay? You have to get your
- 08:57chops in something. So, you have to
- 09:00apprentice yourself to something. And
- 09:02that can be very difficult for people
- 09:03who have a sense of self that they're a
- 09:06little different. They don't want to do
- 09:07things the way everyone else does. They
- 09:08need to see themselves, their unique
- 09:10gift in the thing. And I'll tell you
- 09:12what, you will be able to do that and
- 09:14you can transform an entire field. You
- 09:15will literally change the game of what
- 09:18you do. But you got to get the core
- 09:21mechanics and the basics first. You
- 09:23don't get to come in there and be like,
- 09:24I'm me and I'm going to change the game.
- 09:26No, it's chop wood, carry water. So
- 09:28that's like, you know, [snorts]
- 09:31dribble, shoot, guard, pass, like you
- 09:33know, basketball, whatever. Whatever
- 09:35your
- 09:37at that time vocation turns out to be,
- 09:39you have to work through the core
- 09:41mechanics of that. You have to see the
- 09:42things you're proficient at, the things
- 09:44that come naturally. And then of course
- 09:45there going to be things that are much
- 09:46harder for you and you're going to have
- 09:47to overcome those to be in that field.
- 09:50And this can be a tough pill for a lot
- 09:52of people to swallow. But if you can
- 09:54accept that you're going to apprentice
- 09:56yourself to this thing for a short while
- 09:57knowing that it's not or a long while
- 09:59knowing that it's not your final
- 10:01destination and that you'll eventually
- 10:03be able to bring in some probably not
- 10:05all but some of your unique gifts to
- 10:07that craft. And that's where your unique
- 10:11contribution is going to come through.
- 10:13So, what I'm describing here are a
- 10:15number of different tributaries that all
- 10:16start with you that eventually converge
- 10:18in your unique gift to your passion. But
- 10:21in the meantime, stay structured. Take
- 10:24care of yourself. Avoid meaningless
- 10:26drama. Don't numb out. Try different
- 10:29things. Develop a sense of taste. What
- 10:32moves you toward or away from things?
- 10:34Learn yum yuck me. Like if you see
- 10:36something or like something in a given
- 10:38area of whatever any vocation like yes,
- 10:41I love that or no, I definitely don't
- 10:43like that or meh. There can be some mess
- 10:45and some yums, but the uh no, that's not
- 10:48going to work. But with that said, once
- 10:50you take on something, you decide to do
- 10:52it. There going to be some things that
- 10:54are hard. Don't confuse that for yuck.
- 10:56It just means you haven't developed the
- 10:57skill set yet. And you're going to have
- 10:59to embrace and tackle certain things
- 11:01that are hard for you. You have to chop
Mastery & Unique Contribution
- 11:03wood, carry water for a while. But once
- 11:05you go from unskilled to skilled and
- 11:07you're starting to transition from
- 11:08skilled to mastery and certainly once
- 11:10you've developed mastery in an area then
- 11:12you can bring together or include some
- 11:14of your unique experience and do
- 11:16something truly unique, truly exciting
- 11:18and transform your field likely
- 11:19transform the world because in some
- 11:21small or large way you're going to
- 11:22transform the world. So that's the
- 11:25recipe for finding your passion. It's
- 11:27really about being you, but plugging
- 11:29yourself into some sort of system long
- 11:31enough to get really good at something
- 11:33so that then you can put your stamp on
- 11:35it. Worked for me.
- 11:38[music]