How to Stop Over-Optimizing Your Health | Dr. Andrew Huberman
Dr. Andrew Huberman discusses how over-optimization and rigid adherence to health protocols can lead to stress and burnout, highlighting the importance of adaptability, consistency, and tailoring core health habits to fit individual life constraints.
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Question About Protocol Overwhelm
- 00:00Hello Dr. Hub Berman. My name is Dr.
- 00:02Datillosi MD. I have a simple question
- 00:05about longevity and optimization
- 00:07culture. I've seen people be strict and
- 00:10diligent with their optimal protocols.
- 00:12However, sometimes it becomes a source
- 00:14of stress. When would you say longevity
- 00:17protocols do more bad than good if
- 00:19people worry about them?
- 00:21Oh, thank you so much, doctor. I'm just
- 00:23going to refer to you as doctor because
- 00:24forgive me I couldn't make out the
- 00:26pronunciation of your name and if I were
- 00:27to attempt it I would probably not get
- 00:30it right. So uh forgive me I'm just
- 00:32going to refer to you as doctor but I'm
- 00:34also going to extend my gratitude for
- 00:36your question again because I know a lot
- 00:37of people are thinking about this
- 00:39overoptimization question issue these
- 00:42days and it's a very important one. You
- 00:45know, I've uh spent the last six years
- 00:46or so talking about protocols for
- 00:49health, for all sorts of things on the
- 00:51Hubberman Lab podcast and others have of
- 00:54as well, of course. And the real issue I
- 00:57think that everyone's dealing with right
- 00:58now is kind of protocol overwhelm like
- 01:01like what am I supposed to do? I barely
- 01:02have time to do the basics and now
- 01:04we're, you know, getting right down into
- 01:05the details of, you know, particular
- 01:07mechanisms at particular times of day.
- 01:09Like what am I supposed to do? Here's
- 01:11the big picture, at least in my opinion.
- 01:14Optimization in its truest form is about
- 01:18addressing each day of your life as an
- 01:20independent unit and asking yourself,
- 01:23okay, what can I do today to set myself
- 01:25up for the best possible day given the
- 01:26constraints upon me? Right? Maybe you're
- 01:29dealing with a sick family member. Maybe
- 01:32you're dealing with jet lag. Maybe
- 01:34you're dealing with a deadline. You
- 01:36know, I've dealt with all these things,
- 01:37some of them recently. Maybe you're
- 01:39dealing with being extremely well-rested
- 01:42and you're on vacation and you wonder if
- 01:44you should just kind of take the day off
- 01:45and relax. These are real life issues
- 01:48and optimization has to meet those real
- 01:51life issues, not the other way around.
- 01:53So optimization is about stepping back
- 01:55and saying, okay, what are the things I
- 01:57really enjoy doing and that clearly give
- 01:59me energy, clearly make me feel better.
- 02:01These are the ones that are easy to do.
- 02:02For me, that's getting morning sunlight.
- 02:04It's hydrating in the morning. It's
- 02:06exercise. I happen to like exercise.
- 02:08Okay, some days more, some days less,
- 02:10but I happen to like it. Some people
- 02:11loathe it. Okay, if you like a
- 02:14particular protocol, you're more likely
- 02:16to do it. That just stands to reason.
- 02:19But then we also have to ask ourselves,
- 02:20what are the most important protocols to
- 02:23do consistently over time? And those are
Sleep & Sunlight Pillars
- 02:25very straightforward. Everyone knows
- 02:26what those are. You want to do what you
- 02:27can to get the best possible sleep,
- 02:29enough of it, and high quality sleep.
- 02:31But we're all human, and it's also great
- 02:33to stay out late doing fun things every
- 02:34once in a while. perfectly fine. I do
- 02:37that. All of you should give yourself
- 02:38permission to do that. In my opinion,
- 02:40you will be just fine in the short and
- 02:43in the long term. Okay? I do believe
- 02:46that getting bright light in our eyes,
- 02:48ideally from sunlight in the first hours
- 02:50of the day, is one of the things to
- 02:52really strive for because it's so brief.
- 02:53It costs nothing and it is so well
- 02:56supported by human data to create to
- 02:58create, excuse me, outsized positive
- 03:00effects on your mental and physical
- 03:02health. It sets everything into its
- 03:04right place. But as I just talked about
- 03:06a few minutes ago to the previous
- 03:08question, if you miss it one day, no big
- 03:10deal. The next day, just make up for it.
- 03:12I do think that a neurotic approach to
- 03:14trying to get everything exactly right
- 03:17is going to harm our mental health.
- 03:19Maybe not severely in the short term,
- 03:20but in the long run, it's just going to
- 03:22lead to a different kind of burnout.
- 03:23Kind of health optimization burnout,
- 03:25which again is not about true
- 03:26optimization anyway. So we say morning
- 03:29sunlight, great. dimming the lights at
- 03:31night. These are all zerocost, very
- 03:33effective ways to improve our health and
- 03:35well-being. If you're under the bright
- 03:36lights at an event or doing something
- 03:38fun or god forbid you have to be at the
- 03:40hospital for a loved one or you yourself
- 03:41in the hospital and the lights are
- 03:43bright, you'll be okay. You want to try
- 03:46and mitigate that if you're confronted
- 03:47with it day after day after day. You may
- 03:49get an eye mask, etc. But every once in
- 03:52a while, no big deal. We know that
- 03:55hydration is critical and is very
- 03:57overlooked as a tool for increasing
- 03:59energy and well-being. This is just
- 04:01true, right? Most people don't think of
Hydration Myths & Essentials
- 04:03hydration as, you know, as exciting or
- 04:06interesting, but it's very, very
- 04:07important for mental clarity, physical
- 04:10and mental energy. So, do that, right?
- 04:13People argue how much you need to drink,
- 04:15whether or not your urine needs to be
- 04:16clear or not. It doesn't, by the way,
- 04:18but making sure that you're getting
- 04:20enough fluids. And by the way, the idea
- 04:22that all fluids that aren't water are
- 04:24dehydrating you, including coffee and
- 04:26caffeine, the literature just doesn't
- 04:27support that. I do think you should
- 04:29drink some just good old water every
- 04:31once in a while, but if you're getting a
- 04:32lot of your liquids from, you know, I
- 04:34drink a lot of yerba mate or coffee,
- 04:36you're getting hydrated, okay? Also
- 04:38drink some water if you can. And then we
- 04:41know that exercise, nutrition, and
- 04:43social connection are also vital. These
- 04:45are the core pillars. Now, it's highly
- 04:48individual as to whether or not somebody
- 04:49needs these every single day, right? I
Exercise Habits & Consistency
- 04:52resistance train three times a week. I
- 04:53do cardio three times a week. So, that's
- 04:54six days a week of exercise. But some of
- 04:56those sessions, in particular, the
- 04:57high-intensity interval training, it's
- 04:59very brief. 6 to 12 minutes to get a
- 05:01sort of quote unquote max heart rate V2
- 05:03max type workout and very brief. One of
- 05:06the cardiovascular exercise training
- 05:07sessions is longer. It's an hourong hike
- 05:09or jog once a week. You have to figure
- 05:12out what you can do consistently over
- 05:14time. This is the other critical
- 05:16feature. Overoptimization is going to
- 05:18come from feeling that you have to do
- 05:20everything all the time, right? Which
- 05:22undoubtedly will lead to mental or some
- 05:24other form of burnout or resentment of
- 05:26this whole protocols, health
- 05:28optimization thing. It's what you can do
- 05:30consistently over time. And when I say
- 05:32over time, I don't mean your whole life.
- 05:34When I was in graduate school, I
- 05:36literally only exercised two to three
- 05:38days a week because I was in lab all the
- 05:40time. But I was going back and forth to
- 05:42the, you know, I had to go to the
- 05:43vivarium. I go back and forth and back.
- 05:45I was doing so much physical activity.
- 05:48So, two or three times a week. I wasn't
- 05:50happy about that, but I was in heaven
- 05:52doing experiments and I love doing
- 05:53science. So, I was full and I was young,
- 05:55too. So, I probably offset some of the
- 05:57whatever health detriments would have
- 05:58been there. And I didn't take very good
- 06:00care of my sleep. It eventually caught
- 06:02up with me. I made adjustments to my
- 06:03sleep. So, what I'm trying to say here
- 06:06is that true optimization is about
- 06:08taking a rational look at your life over
- 06:09the next 6 months or year or if you're
- 06:13confronting a deadline over the next
- 06:14month or two or if you have a newborn
- 06:16child over the next, you know, 6 to 12
- 06:18months and you're, you know, as anyone
- 06:19who's had a kid will tell you, you know,
- 06:21you have to constantly update what you
- 06:22can do and what you can't do at
- 06:23particular times of day because your job
- 06:25is to make sure that they are taken care
- 06:27of first and then that you're taken care
- 06:29of, right? Uh, this is obvious, but
- 06:32optimization is not going to be about
- 06:34being rigid. It's going to be about
- 06:35being adaptive. So, there's no simple
- 06:39prescriptive like when you travel, cut
- 06:40back on exercise. In fact, when I
- 06:42travel, I try to exercise as much or
- 06:44more than when I'm at home because I
- 06:46tend to do better on travel, less jet
- 06:48lag, etc. I actually try to eat better
- 06:51when I'm traveling. That means mostly
- 06:52unprocessed or minimally processed
- 06:54foods. And I enjoy doing that. For some
- 06:56people going on vacation for them is
- 06:58really just an opportunity to just like
- 07:00I just want to be a complete you know uh
- 07:02lazy lump and enjoy myself. Okay, if
- 07:04that's your thing that's your thing. You
- 07:06are in charge. I think this is the key
- 07:08point. You are in charge of which health
- 07:12quote unquote optimization protocols you
- 07:15use. You are in charge of which ones you
Managing Health Protocol Stress
- 07:17don't use. I think the burnout and the
- 07:19stress that people are experiencing and
- 07:21I do think your point is a good one that
- 07:23it can be detrimental if we internalize
- 07:26the stress. I have to I have to I have
- 07:27to can only be addressed one of three
- 07:29ways. The first one is to change your
- 07:31attitude about it. Okay. Well, do I like
- 07:33this? Do I like the effects? All right.
- 07:35Well, if I don't like it, but I like the
- 07:36effects and they're big enough for me,
- 07:37cool. I'll do it anyway. Ideally, you
- 07:39like it and you like the effects, right?
- 07:41That's ideal. You're more likely to do
- 07:42those things. The next one is you have
- 07:44to ask yourself, can I be consistent
- 07:46about this? Can I be consistent with six
- 07:49workouts a week, even though some are
- 07:50very short? Maybe I just need to work
- 07:52out longer three times a week, or maybe
- 07:53you just get two times a week to work
- 07:55out. Can you eat clean, mostly
- 07:58unprocessed, minimally processed foods,
- 08:00plenty of fiber, plenty of low sugar
- 08:02fermented foods, get enough protein,
- 08:03etc. whatever that means to you if
- 08:05you're vegan, vegetarian or you, you
- 08:06know, eat meat does, you know, everyone
- 08:08has their different, you know, kind of
- 08:09regimens. But you need to be able to do
- 08:12that in a way that you enjoy. I like
- 08:14eating healthy food, okay? I don't
- 08:17really feel good after eating garbage
- 08:19food. So, I don't like garbage food. I'm
- 08:21not drawn to garbage food, but some
- 08:23people really like their their treats.
- 08:25They like their quote unquote bad food.
- 08:27You're going to have to allow yourself a
- 08:28little bit of that if you're going to
- 08:30remain a happy person. And certainly if
- 08:32you're going to resent all of the
- 08:34process, that's the third category. If
- 08:35you're going to resent something, you're
- 08:37going to resent yourself or whoever you
- 08:39think told you to do it. Look, I don't
- 08:40tell anyone what to do. I make
- 08:42suggestions that you can take or leave.
- 08:43And that's what other people in the
- 08:45public health communication space are
- 08:47doing, too. So, you know, and this is
- 08:50true for alcohol, too, as well. You
- 08:52know, I've talked a lot about alcohol.
- 08:53Zero is better than any. Two is probably
- 08:54fine for non-alcoholic adults, etc.,
- 08:56etc. But that doesn't mean that I
- 08:58condemn people that drink. I personally
- 09:00don't like drinking. I feel better when
- 09:01I don't. But I have many people in my
- 09:03life that enjoy having a drink every
- 09:04once in a while and I've insisted that
- 09:06they not apologize to me when they order
- 09:08a glass of wine. I don't want that. I,
- 09:10you know, that can only lead to resent.
- 09:11Okay. So, the big one is to ask yourself
- 09:14what you can do consistently over time.
- 09:16And then really understand what that
- 09:18time word means for you. This week, this
- 09:20month, this period of your life. And
- 09:22just be willing to be flexible, update,
- 09:25and then check yourself for resentments,
- 09:27right? Do you resent me? Do you resent
- 09:29the world that's telling you to do this
- 09:31or are you like, "Oh, this is cool."
- 09:33Like, "I can take it or leave it." You
- 09:34know, you're your own person. I'm
- 09:35telling you this to everyone, not just
- 09:37you, uh, doctor. Uh, of course, I'm
- 09:39telling this to everyone. You're your
Individualizing Your Self-Care
- 09:40own person. You are in charge of you.
- 09:42Self-care for you is going to mean
- 09:43something different than it does to me
- 09:45or somebody else. And by no means should
- 09:47you feel guilty for coming off the the
- 09:50the gas a little bit, as we say, and
- 09:52like easing up a little bit. And I will
- 09:54make this point. By no means should any
- 09:56of you feel guilty for doing every
- 09:58little thing perfectly as you see
- 10:00perfect to be because you enjoy that and
- 10:02because you think it makes you feel
True Definition of Optimization
- 10:04better. Do not apologize for being you.
- 10:06That's the most important point. And I
- 10:08think that's what real optimization is
- 10:10about. You know, the saying that I've
- 10:11put out on social media a few times over
- 10:13the years, but perhaps I haven't put out
- 10:14enough is do what you want for you,
- 10:18provided you're not hurting anyone else,
- 10:21but know what you're doing. This podcast
- 10:23is about trying to educate people about
- 10:25what they're doing when they do A or B,
- 10:28what you might benefit from if you do A
- 10:30or B. But you have to be your own
- 10:32laboratory. And most importantly, like I
- 10:34just said, be you.
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