Difference Between Willpower & Discipline | Ido Portal & Dr. Andrew Huberman
Ido Portal and Dr. Andrew Huberman discuss the distinction between discipline and willpower, highlighting a specific practice for building "the will" by enga...
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Will vs Discipline
- 00:00willpower, the expression of the will
- 00:02and then discipline. Maybe we can define
- 00:05the difference a little bit more so that
- 00:08I can understand
- 00:11when I'm in
- 00:13discipline mode versus um exposing
- 00:17willpower. You said you can build
- 00:18discipline, you can't build the will.
- 00:20The will is a is a fixed unit
- 00:23but a hidden one, a very elusive one.
- 00:26[snorts]
- 00:27uh we can discuss it more and we will
- 00:30expose some things but we will not be
- 00:31successful in a binary fashion. We won't
- 00:34get it. The only way to get even a
- 00:38critical mess with that concept is self
- 00:41practice
- 00:43looking for that quality in your life.
- 00:45And I already mentioned that the first
- 00:47requirement is to do things you don't
- 00:50want to do which you're also a big
- 00:52believer in from a variety of reasons.
- 00:57All of them are not as important as this
- 01:00because they go to serve this layer,
- 01:03this corrupted self, this success in
- 01:06this area. This is not important. What
- 01:09is important is you not all those
- 01:12things. And will is actually that
- 01:16representation of you. The totality,
- 01:20the harmonious combination of all that
- 01:23you are comes together and hence you can
- 01:25be reliable. You have a sequence. You
- 01:30found a way. You cannot push this
How to Practice Your Will
- 01:33forward. You cannot force this. So you
- 01:36need first a situation which you cannot
- 01:38you don't want to do. So I tell people
- 01:41here is the first requirement of this
- 01:43new practice practice of will.
- 01:47You have to wait for a moment. You don't
- 01:48want to do the task. That's the first
- 01:50thing. Not to go to the ice bath. Now,
- 01:55this is a different process and will get
- 01:56you somewhere else. Come up with a task
- 02:01that only sometimes you don't want to
- 02:04do. It's a crucial difference and wait
- 02:07for that moment. In that moment, catch
- 02:10yourself. And there you have to
- 02:12investigate. There there is a very fine
- 02:15little game. It comes back to that
- 02:18playfulness that we have to play. Do not
- 02:21force into it. Don't jailbreak it. Don't
- 02:26push hard into it. Second problem, do
- 02:30not motivate yourself to do it. Don't
- 02:32put any YouTube clips. Don't mention
- 02:34slogans.
Importance of Relaxation
- 02:37Relax yourself.
- 02:39Essential component. Do not rigidify in
- 02:43front of the task. If you do, lower the
- 02:45bar. Find the task that has this right
- 02:48dosage and build up gradually and
- 02:50slowly. I like to use things like
- 02:53difficult physical postures.
- 02:57Like holding your arms out for 5
- 02:59minutes, it's enough. Just straight arms
- 03:01out. Some people can take it further or
- 03:06three minutes or doing a horse stance
- 03:09and then wait for a critical moment when
- 03:12I'm tired. A lot of these things are
- 03:14very useful. So I've grown to practice
- 03:16those things before I at the end of the
- 03:20day when I'm checking out that is the
- 03:22moment where I bring it about. And then
- 03:25you have to research and you have to
- 03:27find a thread, a way to get this going
- 03:32again and again and again with this
- 03:34gentle quality, this playfulness, this
- 03:36softness and slowly increase the bar.
- 03:40What will you discover? Your will is
- 03:42sufficient is like a mosquito's fart.
- 03:46That's the power of our will. Even
- 03:48incredibly powerful people because they
- 03:51only use discipline. So their will is
- 03:53totally they don't know how to identify
- 03:55it. They don't know how to put it
- 03:56together. So you got to do stuff that is
- 03:59so easy relatively easy that you're not
- 04:03interested in doing it. And that's why
- 04:04we don't develop will. So these are some
- 04:08of the discoveries that I I had with
- 04:10myself and trying to bring about this
- 04:13quality because like you I did a lot of
- 04:15stuff with powering through. I think the
- 04:18value of a physical practice um is
- 04:22probably obvious to people or more
- 04:23intuitive like okay um for some people
- 04:27ex exercise working out movement
- 04:29practice perhaps there'll be days when
- 04:32they want to do it there'll be days when
- 04:33they don't want to do it if I understand
Navigating the Resistance Edge
- 04:35correctly
- 04:37the idea is to get right up to that edge
- 04:41and then instead of throwing oneself
- 04:44across that threshold or getting enough
- 04:46caffeine in yourself to get across cross
- 04:48that threshold or doing hyper cyclic
- 04:50hyperventilation, breathing to get all
- 04:52the things to kick up adrenaline. You're
- 04:55talking about getting right there,
- 04:57relaxing and almost letting yourself
- 04:59sort of drift across, but am I pushing a
- 05:03little bit? Am I giving myself a nudge
- 05:05like to keep going? Okay. So, I don't
- 05:07expect myself to just default into it.
- 05:09Okay. Do you still have to do that? I
- 05:11mean, you've been doing movement
- 05:12practice many years. Are there days when
- 05:15you feel that resistance and you have to
- 05:18kind of nudge yourself?
- 05:19Of course, if I don't feel the
- 05:21resistance, I don't have will. I don't
- 05:23develop will and I don't have will. The
- 05:26whole point of will is that it only
- 05:28comes to visit and it's only necessary
- 05:30when there is a resistance.
- 05:32So, you see those as opportunities
- 05:34as well.
- 05:34Mhm.
- 05:35As well. But this is this is the trick.
- 05:37But the to answer your question, my
- 05:39answer might be a bit trickier than what
- 05:42most people assume.
- 05:44They want the remove of the the removal
- 05:47of the problem. And will that's the
- 05:50whole point of will,
- 05:51right?
- 05:52Not to remove the problem and not to
- 05:54also jailbreak it.
- 05:57And you've described it beautifully.
- 06:00And imagine even that clip that you saw
- 06:04or over the last years things that you
- 06:06saw me you see me do, they're not
- 06:09impressive anymore.
- 06:11[snorts]
- 06:11I can still kick up here and do a one-
- 06:13arm handstand in the center of the room.
- 06:16My body looks different by choice. And
- 06:19how I move is different because I
- 06:21discovered this is not going anywhere.
- 06:25I've already been there. I've already
- 06:28done that. I've used motivation,
- 06:31discipline, this quality. I'm looking
- 06:34for something much more powerful, but
- 06:37much more gentle as well. So I had to go
- 06:39back to baby steps and to play that game
- 06:44that you you just mentioned beautifully
- 06:46the edge stand at the edge
- 06:50and it has to be an edge. You're almost
- 06:52not sure if you choose that task whether
- 06:55it's difficult enough or not. It's not
- 06:57the only practice. It's just another
- 07:00flavor that is important for us to
- 07:01practice. I still practice my
- 07:03discipline. And I still practice
- 07:04extremely difficult things. But it's an
- 07:07important flavor that I missed.
- 07:09Mhm. [clears throat]
- 07:10And I think most people are missing it.
- 07:12They have no interest in doing it. It's
- 07:15too easy. They don't understand the
Developing Internal Reliability
- 07:17point is not in the task at all. The
- 07:20point is is in the quality that
- 07:22develops, the attribute that develops
- 07:23inside of us, which is one of the most
- 07:25important basic attributes. I want to
- 07:28know when I'm going to war with you,
- 07:31whatever war that is, that you're
- 07:33reliable to have a word.
- 07:37And that cannot rely on caffeine or on
- 07:41on discipline. And and you can play this
- 07:43game. I'm right now extremely
- 07:45jet-lagged. So I'm I'm very tired. So I
- 07:48play this game with myself. I I have
- 07:51this little internal smile here in my
- 07:54jaw inside. I I I play I pay attention
- 07:59to what is going on in the internal
- 08:00realm, this interceptive thing and I
- 08:04play a game. Before I used to kind of
- 08:07push against it, harden against it and
- 08:09push through whatever needs to be done.
- 08:12And he saw this way of practicing taught
- 08:14me a lot.
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