Building the Most Loved Analytics Tool ($1.05B, $100M ARR, 60+ NPS) | Mixpanel, Amir Movafaghi
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- 00:00at one point mixpanel we were turning almost half of our customers every year and it was
- 00:05this place where as a company that's growing fast you know in some ways that can that metric can be
- 00:11overlooked but in many ways it was a time where we really came together and said look turning
- 00:18half the customers is a major major problem in that we are clearly not driving and delivering
- 00:25the value as a company that we need to and even though you know we we're still growing we have to
- 00:30go back and address churn but the reality was much more complicated and nuanced it so happened that
- 00:36there wasn't one answer you it wasn't one thing it was a set of a bunch of different things that
- 00:41we needed to do and so that's where our journey began and we literally made a you know a series
- 00:46of categories of different priorities we had a series of things that we were going to go
- 00:50out and and Tackle uh and everyone the company from go to market to epd sort of had this core
- 00:58mission to go out and get this done and the result was really incredible and by the time
- 01:04we did our series C we were at 50 and this past spring we almost touched 60 which is really like
- 01:10now kind of consumer grade category and then retention went from you know 50 to close to
- 01:1590% hello my name is uh Amir moaf fagi I'm the CEO here at mixpanel we are an event-based analytics
- 01:24company currently have 9,000 customers globally distributed company crossed the 100 million
- 01:30in Revenue a little less than a couple of years ago we're super proud to have our uh one other
- 01:35metric that we disclos in our customer MPS being almost a consumer grade approaching
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- 01:4460 I was born in uh in tan in Iran I spent 7even years in Istanbul Turkey so I spent a good number
- 01:54of years there we moved there when I was about eight and then I came to United States when I
- 01:58was 15 when I was uh going through graduate school it was a time when financial crisis had hit in New
- 02:06York it was right at the the beginning of where social platforms were coming online and Uprising
- 02:13uh in Iran I couldn't get a hold of my parents because all the phone lines were were shut down
- 02:18and you know email was not working and at the time Twitter was the only uh uh platform that
- 02:24was uh really reporting what was happening on the ground in ton and it was this sort of like
- 02:30incredible moment of realizing just how powerful the social platforms were becoming at that point
- 02:35it was such a personal attachment to the product that was my lead in to Tech so I joined Twitter
- 02:41in 2010 when I joined a company we were about a little over 100 employees we were pre-ad
- 02:48Revenue it was a extraordinarily exciting time even Twitter at its height of success every 6
- 02:55months was like a completely different company you had this company that you would wake up you
- 02:59all of a sudden had an ad product that failed you kind of had a moment of having to really
- 03:03kind of have these moments of existential crisis right hey are we going to have you are we going
- 03:08to have a company you know in 6 months is there going to be are we going to be able to make it
- 03:11to the other side in a lot of ways the way that we go through and fix things together as a team
- 03:17is this ability to really come together on a core problem and we understand why we are focusing on
- 03:23what we're focusing we have Clarity around what objective and what outcome we're trying to get
- 03:28to and then we're flexible about the how right and we're able to take feedback along the way
- 03:33from our customers from our peers from our board you know from everybody investors like we are able
- 03:38to learn and understand and then iterate and then hold ourselves accountable to these outcomes so I
- 03:44think fixing problems at its core comes down to First really centering oursel on why this
- 03:50matters why it takes precedent priority over the 99 other problems you have and then rallying and
- 03:56inspiring people to really get in have Clarity on how they can make an impact and difference on that
- 04:01Journey when I left Twitter we had grown from nearly 100 employees to 4,500 employees it was
- 04:10from close to zero to you 2 billion in Revenue it was um phenomenal incredible growth that happened
- 04:17during that time biggest lesson was the impact that user experience had on the success of the
- 04:25company and this Obsession around delivering a better product a better user experience and
- 04:31sort of like a in a way having that as a leading path into better monetization and better growth
- 04:38companies in Enterprise software have invested quite a bit on technology you know better utility
- 04:45building a better technology as like a first order of business being part of Twitter it was getting a
- 04:52lot more closer to just how much the significance of making sure that you're always thinking of the
- 04:58user the customer first before you go figure out everything else because without the value
- 05:04without that Ultimate Experience that you're delivering that's creating value everything
- 05:08else can feel much more femoral and much weaker Foundation I think you know in many ways when
- 05:16you're part of a in in a great company that's has a number of different opportunities to make
- 05:21an impact and connect and grow with in many ways you want to make sure that your skill set is You
- 05:28Know Rich enough and mature enough to be able to deliver a bunch of impact but hopefully if
- 05:33you're in the right position you're also gaining a bunch of new knowledge and new tools I think
- 05:37in many ways the the growth comes from just having that sheer intellectual curiosity and
- 05:43a desire to make sure that you're influencing and impacting things that matter and so biggest
- 05:49one is this constant ability to ask am I doing the thing that is the highest impact uh work
- 05:54that I could be doing am I focusing on things that actually will drive and make a difference and then
- 05:59usually if you're in the right role and you have the right foundational skill set then
- 06:05the rest of it will take care of itself you'll figure out resources and who to tap into it's
- 06:09one of the best parts of being in Silicon Valley is you pick up the phone and you can call so many
- 06:15people around us that have either experienced that exact same situation that you're in one
- 06:20of the things that I always mention people talk about like hey what's so special about Silicon
- 06:25Valley why you know would I move my company there why would we you know start a company you know in
- 06:30Silicon Valley instead of somewhere else the and the answer I give is when I started at Twitter we
- 06:35were going through a bunch of newish problems that we were experiencing and at that time I remember
- 06:42just through networking finding out experts that were you know at Facebook or at LinkedIn
- 06:48or at Google and you would reach out in every single time almost 100% of the time there were
- 06:53willing to jump on a call and they were willing to collaborate and they were willing to give advice
- 06:57and I think that was such a a phenomenal sort of validation of just how important it is to be
- 07:04in an environment where people are experiencing that same set of growth ambition and experiences
- 07:11that they can impart and and give to you as you're solving your your problems in your
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- 08:49day okay at one point mpanel we were turning almost half of our customers every year and it was
- 09:00this place where as a company that's growing fast you know in some ways that can that metric can be
- 09:06overlooked you're like Hey we're still we're still growing things are still great and you know you
- 09:10would show up and and look at these numbers and you wouldn't even blink you're like yeah we just
- 09:15had like half of our customers like walk out the door but it's not a big deal cuz we're getting
- 09:19so much more and we're still growing but in many ways it was a time where we really came together
- 09:26and said look turning half the customers is a major your major problem in that we are clearly
- 09:31not driving and delivering the value as a company that we need to and even though you know we we're
- 09:37still growing we have to go back and address churn as a way of making sure we have sustainable growth
- 09:42over time and that product needs to kind of get to this level of maturity over time and you know
- 09:47the problem is actually this one was quite difficult cuz we were initially just trying
- 09:51to find like easy answers you know maybe this is a segment problem like SMB has higher turn maybe
- 09:56we just need to go to Enterprise and that'll be the fix all of our problems but the reality was
- 10:01much more complicated and nuanced and what it required was a very very diligent way of again
- 10:09segmenting and understanding the behavior from a different customers in different segments and then
- 10:13being able to really narrow in on the reasons it it so happened that there wasn't one answer you
- 10:20know it wasn't one thing it was a set of a bunch of different things that we needed to do and the
- 10:25list was quite overwhelming the way that we came at it was instead of putting some crazy insane
- 10:31kind of goal for where we wanted to be in a in in a year time we acknowledge that retention was a
- 10:37lagging indicator that it would take time for us to really move it and so instead we said what is
- 10:42the single kind of proxy leading indicator we can grab that would Inspire the team get them excited
- 10:48about making the right set of improvements um in moving retention in the right direction and
- 10:53then we shifted our Focus to NPS user NPS we said look if we are able to improve Pro user sentiment
- 11:00that's a much faster in product signal we're going to get from our users that starts going up then we
- 11:06know we can kind of move the dial on on retention over time and so that's where our journey began
- 11:11and we literally made a you know a series of categories of different priorities we had a
- 11:16series of things that we were going to go out and and Tackle uh and everyone the company from go to
- 11:21market to epd sort of had this core mission to go out and get this done and the result was really
- 11:29incredible we were in single digits uh MPS at the time and we were able to move that 10
- 11:36points every single year and by the time we did our series C we were at 50 and this past spring
- 11:42we almost touched 60 which is really like now kind of consumer grade category and then retention went
- 11:49from you know 50 to close to 90% as a result which I think again speaks to this ability to
- 11:56establish real feedback loops that allow you to understand whether you're the things you're doing
- 12:02are moving the needle and then having this kind of combination of leading lagging indicators so
- 12:07that you have things to inspire get inspired along the way in your journey of execution rather than
- 12:13having to wait you know a year to find out if something was working companies go through very
- 12:20very different stages and challenges as they're going from no Revenue to the initial uh signals
- 12:28that there's demand and there's a need for their product to get 10 million Milestone they get the
- 12:3350 million Milestone and there's huge drop offs from each of these stages learning an experience
- 12:39that at least we've taken here at mix spanel is the ability to really have a very rich signal
- 12:47coming in from the pool of customers that you don't have right because so much of your signal
- 12:52and constant uh feedback loop is around the core Market that you're addressing and your core set
- 13:00of customers that are paying you today a lot of your signals are coming from existing customers
- 13:05and so along the way as company's maturing you want to make sure you always have in the initial
- 13:11phase you you you just you want to get as small as possible solve the problem for the smallest
- 13:17audience that is uh able to get value and pay you for for your product um but as you're scaling and
- 13:23getting to 50 100 million plus then you're really trying to also make sure you have a lens toward
- 13:29the set of the part of the market that you don't own that you don't have and make sure that you
- 13:34understand what opportunities you have to grow and continue to expand your offering and and
- 13:39creating more value for a bigger part of the market I think Beyond product and and signal
- 13:43from customers the other dimension that's really critical as you're scaling is way
- 13:49that teams operate internally how and the the way that your executive team and you as a CEO
- 13:56need to operate is going to change completely right as a 10 person startup you're in a very
- 14:01different capacity everybody's everybody's doing everything and then you're you're need to then
- 14:07go create leverage really create autonomy and ownership modularity within the organization
- 14:13is going to be key uh in driving kind of growth and success you need past a certain
- 14:17scale I think product L growth is is really important and I think sometimes we oversimplify
- 14:27what it means even expel we've we've had quite a bit of a journey in terms of understanding the
- 14:32nuances of you know what it entails what works within product L growth and what you need to
- 14:37augment and layer on the the fact of the matter is what's really awesome about product L growth and
- 14:43what's so good about so many of the startups and different you know growth companies really leaning
- 14:47into to this at its heart the principle is we have we need to have a really amazing product that's
- 14:53self- servable that can people can get value out of right away that sort of speaks for itself
- 14:59uh you barely need to sell you know that's kind of like the the the end all sort of uh goal of
- 15:06product lead and that's awesome but there is so much more to being able to leveraging product L
- 15:13growth and actually creating sustainable growth over time and a big part of that
- 15:18is this element of you know Market education everyone is going to come in to your product
- 15:23with a very different set of maturity right they may be at a different part of the company
- 15:29understanding of the problem that you're trying to solve as a company being very intellectually
- 15:34honest about truly segmenting and understanding where you have an opportunity to actually go
- 15:40drive product Le growth where you can deliver a self- serve for the most part a self- serve
- 15:46experience that's really key acknowledging that there's this space and there's absolutely an
- 15:52opportunity to be very sales l and a way that you drive augmenting that product Le growth
- 15:58knowing that you can always rely and fall back on the fact that you have an incredible product
- 16:02that once you get to a right level of Market education when you get to the right level of
- 16:07getting a customer to the same spot then your product will take care of the rest it's just
- 16:12this kind of core appreciation that initially product L growth is really awesome because of
- 16:18its unit economics it's like the fastest the most affordable the best way you can possibly grow but
- 16:23it's kind of core at its core uh it requires a really deep segmentation Focus for it to to
- 16:29work first one is about being open and being open to feedback you know we as
- 16:38people get attached emotionally to our decisions about how to go from point A
- 16:42to point B and just knowing that uh having qualitative quantitative feedback will let
- 16:46your course correct and make sure you get to the destination on time um and then the second
- 16:51one is about being able to lead change and Lead change has the element that Nick spanel every
- 16:59months is going to be a fundamentally different company and we want not only individuals to you
- 17:04know be okay with change or support it but we want them to lead it we want them to know that
- 17:08we're going to need to explore and find ways to go out and create ways that we can create more value
- 17:13in the marketplace third is uh a customer focus which at the end of the day we're only successful
- 17:19if our customers are getting value and so any decision we make around what product we prioritize
- 17:24How We Do pricing and packaging right how we evolve our support organization is around this
- 17:29kind of long-term value that we're creating for our customers the fourth one is results oriented
- 17:33which acknowledges that you know the single best way for us to keep ourselves accountable on
- 17:38whether we're moving toward fulfilling our mission as a company to help the world learn from its data
- 17:43is uh people's willingness to pay us money to to solve that problem and so Topline a growth
- 17:49are we uh driving that in a sustainable fashion through the right margin profile and then finally
- 17:55is the one team which really emphasizes the import importance of establishing meaningful connections
- 18:01among employees to move beyond the transactional zoom interactions into a place where they know
- 18:06each other they can trust one another so when they do get into a position of conflict there's
- 18:10a foundational trust and safety that allows them to work through those things productively [Music]