How to Recover From a Concussion | Dr. Tommy Wood & Dr. Andrew Huberman
Dr. Tommy Wood and Dr. Andrew Huberman discuss evidence-based protocols for recovering from mild to moderate concussions, emphasizing the importance of tempe...
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Immediate Post-Concussion Care
- 00:00Are there anything
- 00:03that people should do and or take in the
- 00:06immediate aftermath of a head hit? Now,
- 00:08I'm not talking about uh hopefully
- 00:11people are getting checked out for brain
- 00:12bleeds and things like that. So, I'm I'm
- 00:14talking about moderate concussion.
- 00:16Someone got their quote unquote bell
- 00:17rung. Uh they slipped and fell. Uh they
- 00:21got clipped in soccer practice. Um their
- 00:24kids a little dizzy. Now, of course,
- 00:26somebody young or old is vomiting or,
- 00:29you know, not able to sleep or real
- 00:31issues. I mean, everyone should probably
- 00:32be checked out in in the first case, but
- 00:35I get asked this question all the time.
- 00:36Is there anything that people can take
- 00:37to kind of get over mild concussion or
- 00:39moderate concussion?
- 00:41The evidence base on this is a little
- 00:44shaky, but I think for most things, it
- 00:48it kind of fits into this idea of
- 00:51positive asymmetry, right? Low risk,
- 00:53high potential for benefit. And there
- 00:54have been lots of you there have been
- 00:55randomized control trials that kind of
- 00:57look at some of these things. So we a
- 00:58couple years ago we published a paper
- 00:59looking at different nutritional
- 01:01supplements after concussion that you
- 01:05know we have some reasonably good
- 01:06evidence for. So um yes you should be
- 01:09seen by a doctor. You should get
- 01:11whatever scans and you know immediate
- 01:13medical care that you need. Absolutely
- 01:15right. That's we're assuming all of that
- 01:16is done or will be done. Yeah.
Managing Body Temperature
- 01:19Immediately. There are a couple of
- 01:20things that I think we know um from sort
- 01:25of um animal studies that translate
- 01:27fairly well onto onto humans but also
- 01:29some you maybe some observational
- 01:30studies in humans but a couple of things
- 01:32are important. So one is temp
- 01:34temperature management temperature
- 01:35regulation. There have been this is what
- 01:38my PhD was actually in hypothermia after
- 01:40acute brain injury.
- 01:41Hyperthermia
- 01:42hypothermia yeah so cooling down
- 01:45although I did do some studies where we
- 01:47you know heat it up and that makes
- 01:48things worse. So this kind of pertains
- 01:50to what I can imagine. Brain doesn't
- 01:52like to get too hot.
- 01:53That's essentially what I'm about to
- 01:54say. So there have been lots of studies
- 01:55where they've done cooling hypothermia
- 01:58in people after traumatic brain injuries
- 02:00and concussions hasn't really shown much
- 02:02of an effect. What seems to be important
- 02:05is preventing hyperothermia. So um one
- 02:10of the effects of cooling somebody down
- 02:11is that they don't get hot. So that's
- 02:14probably something that's really
- 02:15important. So often concussions happen
- 02:18in a heat stressed environment. You're
- 02:19on a football pitch. It's August in
- 02:22Alabama, it's 40°, right? Get inside,
- 02:25get cool as quickly as you can because
- 02:27there are there are studies that and
- 02:28that doesn't mean you have to get in an
- 02:29ice bath. Just don't be really hot. If
Blood Sugar & Stimulants
- 02:32you get a fever, which you might might
- 02:33do after a more significant injury, you
- 02:36know, Tylenol or something like that to
- 02:37help maintain thermmore regulation will
- 02:40be really important. The next is uh
- 02:42blood sugar regulation. So we know that
- 02:45after a significant brain injury, you
- 02:46have increases in in blood sugar. That's
- 02:48associated with worse outcomes. Some of
- 02:50it's like what's caused? What's
- 02:52consequence? Is the injury driving the
- 02:53blood sugar? Is the blood sugar driving
- 02:54the injury? I think an easy thing to
- 02:56just say is I would avoid any super
- 03:00sugary refined carbohydrates that might
- 03:02just sort of, you know, uh kind of pile
- 03:05on for one of a better word. Right.
- 03:06What about alcohol? So alcohol um I
- 03:09would avoid as well mainly because it
- 03:11impairs sleep and we know that sleep is
- 03:13going to be critical to recovery. Some
- 03:15people would say something similar about
- 03:16caffeine acutely after injury because
- 03:18it's a it's a stimulant. Um one thing
- 03:20that the reason why hyperothermia or
- 03:23getting too hot makes the injury worse
- 03:25is because it um you know simply
- 03:28speaking increases the gap between
- 03:31energy requirements and energy
- 03:32production. So like one of the hallmarks
- 03:35of these acute brain injuries is a
- 03:36deficit in energy production with you
- 03:38know mitochondrial failure or
- 03:39mitochondrial dysfunction. And so if you
- 03:42get too hot or you stimulate the brain
- 03:44you're asking for more energy when the
- 03:46when the when your neurons can't produce
- 03:48it. And that is a trigger that kind of
- 03:52deficit in energy production is a
- 03:53trigger for cell death and
- 03:54neuroinflammation and some of these
- 03:55other processes that then may happen. So
Creatine Dosing & Protocols
- 03:58avoid alcohol, avoid caffeine. Both of
- 04:00those potentially related to improving
- 04:02sleep. Then uh things that we have some
- 04:05you know reasonable evidence for um
- 04:07immediately after concussion are
- 04:09creatine.
- 04:10At what dosage?
- 04:11The best trial was actually done um in a
- 04:13p like pediatric group although very
- 04:16broad. It was like one year old to 18
- 04:18years old. Um but they gave 4 g per kilo
- 04:22per day. So
- 04:23Whoa.
- 04:24Yeah. So it's it's a pretty it's it's
- 04:26like double a traditional loading dose
- 04:27if you're a 100 kilo person. But like if
- 04:30you're 7 if you're 70 kilos um you know
- 04:32155 lbs or something like that then
- 04:35that's 28 grams of creatine. So like
- 04:38it's a lot but
- 04:39extra trips to the bathroom could be
- 04:40expected but you may just spread it out
- 04:42across the day right.
- 04:43Yes. So well one thing I'll say about
- 04:45that is um the most recent meta analyses
- 04:48show that you actually don't get is
- 04:51actually quite rare to get more GI side
- 04:53effects uh with creatine compared to
- 04:55placebo. Some of it is probably related
- 04:57to the quality of the supplement. So
- 04:58poor quality creatine supplements have
- 05:00more adulterance that may cause some of
- 05:01those GI side effects. Some of it is can
- 05:04be due to high um um you can saturate
- 05:08the creatine transporters. It doesn't
- 05:10get absorbed. Water gets drawn into the
- 05:12gut that can that can then write cause
- 05:15diarrhea or something. Um but some of
- 05:18the GI issues that people experience are
- 05:20probably due to poor quality products
- 05:22that they're taking. For the non uh head
- 05:25injured individual, is there any reason
- 05:28to go back to the old loading protocols
- 05:30of taking 20 grams per day, putting it
- 05:32in a little bit of grape juice or
- 05:33something else to spike blood sugar for
- 05:35this very reason that it could um
- 05:37augment the the passage of creatine into
- 05:40your cells as opposed to drawing water
- 05:42into the gut? In the '9s, we would take
- 05:45five grams of creatine four times a day
- 05:48in an ounce or two of pure grape juice.
- 05:51Um, and you draw a lot of water into
- 05:54your muscle cells. You put on, you know,
- 05:57it varies, but for me, anywhere from 5
- 05:59to 8 pounds of it's water weight, but
- 06:02it's mostly in the muscles. It's not
- 06:04insignificant. Translates to big
- 06:06strength increases. I don't take nearly
- 06:07that much now. I just do the 10 grams
- 06:09per day. But is there any reason to go
- 06:11back to those traditional loading?
- 06:13So, if you're just like long like
- 06:15long-term creatine supplementation, pro
- 06:17probably not. um in this kind of setting
- 06:21I think a a you know the the evidence is
- 06:23for a loading style protocol right so
- 06:26for most people it might be 20 to 30
- 06:29grams of of creatine spread spread
- 06:30across the day you know for if anybody's
- 06:32just like taking creatine for other
- 06:35reasons you know this a standard dosing
- 06:37protocol I think is fine
- 06:39I thought you were going to tell me I
- 06:40could get it to work that way
- 06:42so so like the the some of the studies
- 06:44that use traditional like creatine
- 06:45monohydrate and look at creatine levels
- 06:46in the brain they did use the loading
- 06:48protocol for for a week and then you see
- 06:50significant increases in brain creatine.
- 06:52But creatine having other effects on the
- 06:54brain, you know, potentially improving
- 06:56mood, improving uh memory and in older
- 06:58adults. Um some of those benefits happen
- 07:01at just like a traditional creatine
- 07:03doses. So you don't need to take massive
- 07:04doses, you know, think load loading
- 07:06doses. You can actually see some
- 07:07benefits of like 5 to 10 grams. So
- 07:08that's creatine. So magnesium, so 400
Magnesium & Omega-3 Fats
- 07:11milligrams once or twice a day. There've
- 07:13been some trials that shown um
- 07:14what form
- 07:15those studies actually use magnesium
- 07:16oxide. surprisingly. Um, but I would
- 07:20probably use magnesium glycinate. Um,
- 07:23the it's very bioavailable. Um, athletes
- 07:27usually need a bit more glycine anyway,
- 07:30but any bioavailable form will will be
- 07:32fine than omega-3 fatty acids. Um the
- 07:36evidence is is is a little bit better
- 07:38for like um there are now several
- 07:40studies in like America in like
- 07:41collegiate American football players
- 07:43where they take a couple of grams of
- 07:46omega-3s every day and across a season
- 07:48you see um less accumulation of uh
- 07:52biomarkers of of injury like
- 07:53neuropilament light that are circulating
- 07:55in the blood. So that's something that I
- 07:56would just take long like
- 07:58longitudinally. If you're somebody who's
- 08:00at risk of a concussion uh because of
- 08:02your sport or your job, I would just,
- 08:04you know, take a reasonable omega-3
- 08:06supplement just long term because we
- 08:08have some reasonable evidence for that.
Sleep & BCAA Support
- 08:10Then other things might become a little
- 08:13bit specific to
- 08:16uh the symptoms that you're
- 08:17experiencing. So if you have sleep
- 08:18issues, then uh there's studies that
- 08:20have used melatonin and that's that's
- 08:22shown improvements. Branch chain amino
- 08:24acids at high doses uh for sleep. And
- 08:27that's interesting because outside of
- 08:29TBI, high doses of branch chain amino
- 08:31acids may actually impair sleep because
- 08:33they compete for tryptophan uptake into
- 08:35the brain, decreasing potentially
- 08:37decreasing serotonin, melatonin uh
- 08:38production. But in TBI, there are two
- 08:41studies that suggest improvements in
- 08:42sleep with high doses of branch chain
- 08:44amino acids.
- 08:46If somebody's going to take branch chain
- 08:47amino acids, presumably they're going to
- 08:49look at how much leucine is there for a
- 08:51variety of reasons. Um, so do you recall
- 08:54how much leucine to get this effect post
- 08:56TBI?
- 08:57So I I don't think they at least I don't
- 08:59remember the leucine dose, but they were
- 09:01taking up to 60 g of branches.
- 09:066.
- 09:07Okay. Cuz a typical kind of
- 09:10suggested supplement bottle gym dose
- 09:12would be 3 to five grams. That's usually
- 09:14about six capsules. Yeah.
- 09:16So Okay. So like one study they did in
- 09:19veterans they had um [snorts] I think it
- 09:22was three
- 09:24doses of 20 grams AC spread across the
- 09:26day.
- 09:27Are you curious about um these uh
- 09:30Ibagain studies that are looking at uh
- 09:33you know TBI and brain recovery? I mean
- 09:35Iane is a it's a a whole other thing
- 09:38because it's a the the most powerful
- 09:40long-lasting psychedelic at least that
- 09:42I'm aware of. But it seems like there's
Psychedelics & Choline Research
- 09:44some interesting data coming out.
- 09:46Absolutely. Um and then you know in
- 09:49people with a history of brain trauma
- 09:51and PTSD and I think some of these other
- 09:54psychedelics are going to be um very
- 09:56interesting um there as well potentially
- 09:58due to their neuroplastic um effects
- 10:02that tend to particularly happen in like
- 10:04macro doses right in in um in the
- 10:07psychedelic doses. I think that there's
- 10:09a lot more to come there, but certainly
- 10:10the trials that have been done so far
- 10:12are quite compelling, but that's
- 10:13obviously in in a very controlled kind
- 10:15of clinical heart rate monitor. Again,
- 10:18it's not legal in the United States,
- 10:19although things things are shifting, but
- 10:22choline is another thing, particularly
- 10:23aceticoline. So, um uh best evidence is
- 10:26for 1 to two grams a day um
- 10:29of choline
- 10:29of choline, you know, in the form of CDP
- 10:32choline or citoline, which is which is
- 10:34the same thing. Um those are the main
- 10:37ones. Then there's some other like Nisha
- 10:39supplements that do have some evidence.
- 10:40The one that's probably has the most
- 10:41evidence for it is Boswellia.
- 10:43Boswellia.
- 10:44Yeah. Which is Frank Indian
- 10:46frankincense, but there's an extract of
- 10:47Boswellia that's been tested in I think
- 10:49three different clinical trials after
- 10:50TBI showed some benefit. Enzogenol,
- 10:53which I think is a pine extract,
- 10:54slightly less evidence than Boswellia.
- 10:57I typically would recommend people stick
- 10:59to the first group of kind of
- 11:00nutritional type supplements. um but in
- 11:02very specific um use cases based on
- 11:05specific symptoms some of those other
- 11:07things might be beneficial. Then beyond
- 11:09that we know that phys return to
- 11:11physical activity as soon as possible is
- 11:12really important after
- 11:13without getting another head injury.
Returning to Physical Activity
- 11:15Without getting another head injury and
- 11:16you know so so this really changed over
- 11:18the last few years. You know maybe 5 10
- 11:21years ago people like you know rest is
- 11:22what you need to do. Go lie in a dark
- 11:25room. If you got a concussion in sports,
- 11:28you you would expect the team to have a
- 11:31rigorous return to play protocol that
- 11:33included lowlevel aerobic activity as
- 11:36soon as you're able to tolerate it u two
- 11:39or three times a week at a level just
- 11:41below what might make your symptoms
- 11:43worse. And then first you do sort of
- 11:46like non-specific aerobic exercise and
- 11:47then you start to bring back skill
- 11:49specific exercises, sports exercises,
- 11:51then go back into full training and then
- 11:53um go back into into playing kind of in
- 11:55that order and that should be quite
- 11:57systematized now. So I would expect
- 11:59sports teams to kind of have have that
- 12:01in place. So like the standard of care
- 12:03is generally phys physical therapy. if
- 12:05you have any ongoing cognitive or
- 12:07physical symptoms sort of a month plus
- 12:10after uh any kind of traumatic brain
- 12:12injury. Um there's some evidence that
- 12:15like virtual reality or augmented
- 12:17reality uh physical uh activity uh might
- 12:20improve cognitive symptoms. uh
- 12:22vestibular therapy for balance and
- 12:25dizziness issues. And then increasingly
- 12:29uh you know there's um a focus on sort
- 12:32of ocular motor training for like
- 12:34convergence or other eye like um eye
- 12:38issues that are very common after
- 12:40concussions but aren't picked up as
- 12:42often as as people might like.
- 12:44increasingly kind of eye tracking and
- 12:47these kinds of things are done
- 12:49particularly in professional sports or
- 12:51other arenas after brain injuries to
- 12:53kind of ideally you'd have a baseline
- 12:54you figure out what's changed and then
- 12:55you would track that over time and you
- 12:56can you can train that depending on the
- 12:58deficit
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